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  Done it finally
Posted by: SwerveThat - 05-11-2024, 04:37 PM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (4)

Just registered
Hi everyone, long term reader of the other place here(very rarely logged in tbh).
Hope you all don't mind me tagging along with you all?

SwerveThat

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  China And Yale's Skull And Bones Cult.
Posted by: Karl12 - 05-11-2024, 07:28 AM - Forum: General Conspiracies - Replies (6)

For folks interested in geopolitical shenanigans then thought there was some pretty revealing info in this video about how the Rothschilds and Rockefellers first got their foothold into China - also a rather interesting nugget about how China's largest U.S. trading house at the time was founded by Samuel Russell.. who just happened to be cousin of William Russell (founder of Yale University's Skull And Bones cult).

The Corbett vid below also contains some really intriguing info including how Yale University established a number of schools throughout China back in 1903 with Mao Tse Tung as one of their students (linked article below).

Also found it extremely curious how virtually all U.S. diplomatic representatives to China have been members of Yale University's Skull and Bones cult.



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Military tensions, cyber espionage accusations, a brewing currency war; with every passing day, the headlines paint a convincing portrait of an emerging cold war between China and the West.

But is this surface level reality the whole picture, or is there a deeper level to this conflict? Is China an opponent to the New World Order global governmental system or a witting collaborator with it?




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Quote:Yale Daily News - Feb 29th 1972

'Yale Group Spurs Mao's Emergence'

William F Buckley was not the only Yale figure connected with the presidential trip to China, without Yale support. Mao Tse Tung may have never risen from obscurity to command China.

Jonathan Spence, professor of Chinese history, was the first to discover Mao Tse Tung's connection with Yale. The Professor noted "In 1919 Mao, aged 26, was in Changsha, having finished his middle school education, he visited Peking and while there received a serious introduction to communist theory in Leeteuk Charles' Marxist study group".

Now, if he was to develop a reputation in socialist circles, he had to find a form to propagate his views. At this crucial point The Student Union of Yale and China invited Mao to take over the editorship of their journal. Mao accepted the position and changed the format of the student magazine. It would now deal with social criticism and current problems and focus on 'Thought Reorientation'.

(Source: Yale Daily News no. 96 February 29 1972




• S + B Ambassadors:


Quote:The New Federalist - January 26th 1990


'Bush's China Policy - Skull and Bones'


• George Bush, the first US diplomatic representative to the People's Republic of China back in 1973, was a member of skull and bones. So were his father, brother, son, uncle, nephew and several cousins.


• Winston Lord the Reagan Bush administration ambassador to China was a member. So were his father and several other relatives.


• James Lilly, the current ambassador to China, was a member of Skull and Bones, as was his brother.


• Except during the Carter administration, every US ambassador to Beijing since Kissinger's deal with Mao Tse Tung was a member of the same tiny Yale cult.


A mere coincidence?

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  The geography of Eden
Posted by: DISRAELI - 05-11-2024, 01:33 AM - Forum: Religion, Faith, & Theology - Replies (5)

This is a very speculative, non-authoritative, exploration of the more obscure geography of Genesis, making no assumptions about literal inerrancy.

Firstly, the geography of the four rivers of Eden, Genesis ch2 vv10-14. It’s become fashionable to look for ways to locate all of them in Sumer, but the fact that they arise out of Eden ought to be pointing us towards the headwaters.

It’s obvious on a map that the headwaters of two of them, the Tigris and Euphrates, are fairly close together in the region of Lake Van in the northern highlands. Can’t we find two more rivers arising in the same region? We do have the Halys, which flows into the Black Sea, and the Araxes which flows into the Caspian.

We are thrown a little by the mention of Cush. Cush is associated with Egypt in ch10. Kush is known outside the Bible as a name for modern Nubia, and most of the later Bible references are consistent with that location.  But if we accept the inference that the Gihon is the Nile, that makes a complete nonsense of the geography of the passage, as can be seen from the works of mediaeval mapmakers.

On the other hand, Ezekiel ch38 v5 makes Cush part of a coalition of northern tribes. And if we look closely at the ch10 reference, we find that Cush is identified as the father of Nimrod, who is firmly tied to the Babylon area. So there may be a confusion here between two peoples or areas with similar names, which is not at all unusual in historical geography. The same confusion could account for Havilah, land of gold, which would otherwise have to be in the Red Sea region.

Therefore Cush is not necessarily an obstacle to identifying Eden with the central portion of the Anatolian-Iranian plateau, in the vicinity of Lake Van and Lake Urmiyyah. I once saw a television documentary in which a man was convinced he had found the site of Eden in a raised valley in the highlands, the important clue being a slope forming a kind of “wall” at the eastern end of the valley. The flaw in his argument was that the wall of Eden is non-Biblical. It comes straight out of Paradise Lost, so that discovery adds nothing to the case.

But the highland plateau is a fitting location for other aspects of the Eden story. It would have had trees. Many modern historians think that cultivation of crops, the curse of Adam, began in that region, as climate change made hunting more difficult. This would have allowed the population to grow, encouraging them to disperse, making that region the place of origin for many peoples in the larger area. Let us make special note of Cain, who moved eastwards. That is, if I am right, onto the Iranian plateau east of the Zagros range.

Now let’s turn to the Flood. Again, the fashion is to assume that Flood stories are based on Sumerian memories of the flooding of the Persian Gulf. But other regions have flood stories too, with other versions of Noah. Greek mythology knows two versions, one for Greece (Deucalion and Pyrrha) and one for Anatolia (Philemon and Baucis). This points to flooding in the Aegean-Black Sea region. Perhaps this could be a long-distance folk-memory of the post-Ice Age event, proposed by some geologists, in which a sudden flood broke down a land barrier between the two seas. I have a pet theory that this could also account for the story of the “clashing islands”, which formed a barrier to the Black Sea in the story of Jason and the Argonauts.

If survivors from the eastern end of the Black Sea coast fled into the highland regions, their descendants could still be there, with folk-memories of flooding, when that region began to develop agriculture. It must be significant that tradition places the landfall of Noah in Ararat. Not the single mountain known by that name in modern times, but a slightly larger mountainous area. This would connect “The Flood” and “The Tree of Life” as elements in the same cultural tradition. In that order, and it’s interesting that the Babylonian version of the Flood story is also an event in the past when Gilgamesh is looking for the Tree of Life.

Another geographical statement is that mankind enters the plain of Shinar (the later Babylonia) “from the east” (ch11 v2). This fits in very well with the likely origins of the Sumerians when they first established themselves at the south-eastern end of Mesopotamia.

Nobody knows exactly where the Sumerians came from. But let us remind ourselves that Cain went east when he left Eden. This sets up the possibility that either the Sumerians themselves or the cultural tradition they learned travelled south-eastwards from the Lake Van region and along the south-western edge of the Iranian plateau before entering the Tigris valley closer to the Persian Gulf end of the Zagros range. In which case one Flood tradition could have started from the Black Sea and climbed up into the highlands to pick up the Tree of Life tradition before being taken down to Sumer to link up with the Flood traditions of the Persian Gulf.

There used to be an Hungarian poster on ATS who was convinced that Hungarian and Sumerian were the same language. I don’t know either of them, so I can’t comment. On the strength of the alleged similarity, he argued that the Sumerians must have established colonies on the Russian steppes. This strikes me as very implausible, but I can just see the possibility of movement in the opposite direction. That is, the distant ancestors of the Sumerians fleeing from the Black Sea southwards, while their proto-Hungarian relatives fled northwards from the opposite coast.

Finally, a word on Ham, Shem, and Japheth. The usual interpretation of ch10 (e.g. the Times Atlas of the Bible) confines Ham to the Nile valley and Canaan and allows Shem to occupy the Tigris-Euphrates plains. But I have already pointed out the inconvenient fact that Nimrod, the infamous ruler of Babylon, is the son of Cush and therefore the grandson of Ham. I suggest, then, that this three-part division is not ethnic but geographical. Ham occupies the Fertile Crescent, BOTH sides, which allows him to become a well-fed race of evil giants (from the perspective of the starved desert-dwellers). Shem occupies the desert to the south, Japheth occupies the highlands in the north as well as the distant islands of Greece.. If the divisions are not ethnic, there is nothing to be gained from trying to connect all this with the genetic history of the rest of the world.

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  AstraZeneca withdraws Covid vaccine worldwide
Posted by: K218b - 05-10-2024, 07:01 PM - Forum: Diseases & Pandemics - Replies (6)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien...41291.html

I was trying to find a link from a newspaper that won't offer the usual apologies for a failed vaccine. I don't know whether I have succeeded but at least in the article you can read clearly why the vaccine was withdrawn after causing some very serious but 'rare' side effects such as blood clots that were often fatal. More than three years into the vaccine programs and the narrative hasn't changed but the truth has come out.

Did you notice the familiar phrase 'rare serious side effects'. I wonder how anyone can use the argument these vaccines cause rare side effects and therefore are safe and effective. The Independent (UK Newspaper) couldn't resist the temptation and gave this title to the article:

Quote:AstraZeneca withdraws Covid vaccine worldwide after admitting it can cause rare blood clots

Trying to downplay the significant event of worldwide withdrawal. Shame on them!!!

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  Out of the shadows...
Posted by: AccessDenied - 05-10-2024, 01:36 PM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (18)

Hello everyone. Long time no chat. I haven't posted on the other site in a long time, but I've been an active lurker. Just book marking my place here amongst all of you and  to carry on from the place I called home for many years. I cannot guarantee how active I may be at present, post wise, but to be sure this will be a frequent go to as always . Nice to see all the old familiar names here.
Btw...the old emojis give me a nostalgic tear... Sad

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  Tallahassee gets pummeled by morning rush hour tornado
Posted by: putnam6 - 05-10-2024, 01:12 PM - Forum: Fragile Earth - No Replies

Damn, hate to hear that used to spend a lot of time in South Georgia and the Tallahassee area, hopefully, people are safe so far just hearing of one death...

It used to have such beautiful big old trees with Spanish moss


Tallahassee gets pummeled by morning rush hour tornado

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WTXL) — Storms containing radar-confirmed tornadoes, strong winds, dangerous lighting and heavy rain left a trail of damage in the Big Bend and South Georgia Friday morning. We're updating this story as damage reports come in. Watch the video above to see what it was like as the storm hit Tallahassee's All Saints neighborhood around 7 a.m.

Power outages were widespread, with more than 66,000 customers losing service, according to the City of Tallahassee



A tornado-warned storm hit the All Saints neighborhood of Tallahassee Friday morning. Video shows how powerful the storm was and what the aftermath looks like.
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By: Channing Frampton
Posted at 7:51 AM, May 10, 2024
 
and last updated 1:31 PM, May 10, 2024TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WTXL) — Storms containing radar-confirmed tornadoes, strong winds, dangerous lighting and heavy rain left a trail of damage in the Big Bend and South Georgia Friday morning. We're updating this story as damage reports come in. Watch the video above to see what it was like as the storm hit Tallahassee's All Saints neighborhood around 7 a.m.
Storm Resources
County teams were actively monitoring changing conditions when the worst of the system arrived at around 6:50 a.m. Initial reports indicated the rotation and formation of up to three tornadoes in Gadsden. The same system shortly after 7 a.m. brought severe weather to all of Leon County. The County is working with the National Weather Service to confirm tornado touchdowns in the area.
Leon County teams are responding to downed trees, clearing roads, assessing buildings, and supporting all response and recovery operations.

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  G4 – Severe geomagnetic storm expected as multiple CMEs merge and impact Earth 5/11
Posted by: putnam6 - 05-10-2024, 05:57 AM - Forum: Space - Replies (25)

Wow the aurora borealis might be visible as far south as Alabama, hmmm might have to check and see if that applies to North Georgia. I cant recall the aurora borealis ever being this far south. Seeing different forecasts but it should be clear where I am at but with light and regular pollution might want to get up in the mountains

https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-eart...-been-seen
 Produced by fast-moving particles from the Sun smashing into molecules in the upper atmosphere, the Aurora Borealis is normally thought of as something visible only above the Arctic Circle. Yet at times of high solar activity, they can be seen much further south: during the great solar storm of August and September 1859, the colours typical of aurorae were seen in Honolulu, just 21° north of the equator.
Historians have uncovered evidence suggesting that the southern hemisphere counterpart of the Northern Lights, the Aurora Australis, may have been witnessed even closer to the equator, with reports of the phenomenon being seen from Samoa in 1921, at a latitude of 13° south, and a disputed report from Singapore at just 8° south during the storm of 25 September 1909.
https://watchers.news/2024/05/09/g4-seve...on-may-11/
G4 – Severe geomagnetic storm expected as multiple CMEs merge and impact Earth on May 11
G4 – Severe or greater geomagnetic storm is expected on May 11, with effects potentially extending into May 12 and 13. The storm is anticipated to impact regions primarily poleward of 45 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude. It could lead to widespread voltage control issues, with some protective systems potentially tripping key assets from the power grid due to mistakenly identified faults. Pipeline currents are also expected to intensify.
Spacecraft systems may face surface charging, heightened drag on low-earth orbit satellites, and potential tracking and orientation challenges. Satellite navigation (GPS) systems may experience significant degradation or become inoperable for hours. High-frequency (HF) radio communication could face sporadic propagation or complete blackouts. The aurora borealis might be visible as far south as Alabama and northern California.

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 G4 is the second-highest geomagnetic storm classification on NOAA’s scale, occurring approximately 100 times per solar cycle, which spans 11 years. The only classification above G4 is G5 – Extreme, which occurs around four times per cycle.
A G5 – Extreme geomagnetic storm can have widespread and significant impacts across various systems. In power systems, these storms can lead to voltage control issues and malfunctions in protective systems, potentially causing entire grids to collapse or experience blackouts. Transformers can also suffer damage due to increased electrical stress.

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  UK MPs now have a "guide" book for Conspiracy Theories
Posted by: Maxmars - 05-10-2024, 05:14 AM - Forum: Propaganda Mill - No Replies

It felt like this news jumped out at me.  I am particularly interested in how "conspiracy theory" has become a 'boogie man' to the intelligentsia.  There has been a steady and continuing growth of the need to proselytize the idea that all things 'conspiracy theory' are essentially evil and a detriment to society.  Examples of this are everywhere, in most all media, and most powerfully now, in political discourse.

It has come so far as to become a matter of 'educating' leaders in how to 'deal' with them.

From off-Guardian.org: New “Guide” Teaches UK MPs to Spot “Conspiracy Theories”

The Shadow Leader of the (UK) House declared it a "must read."  The object of the treatise rises to the level of making this a "bi-partisan" issue, and therefore powerful and influential parties have taken up the cause to eliminate what is characterized as "disinformation, misinformation, and public damage.
 


Leader of the House Penny Mordaunt  MP, who commissioned the guide, has warned that:

"The proliferation of conspiracy theories across the UK is deeply disturbing. They are deliberate campaigns to spread disinformation and fear […] If they go unchallenged we risk the public being conned and their wellbeing potentially damaged. These campaigns are also a threat to the health of our democracy. It is essential that we give the public and their representatives the tools they need to combat this phenomenon.”

And claimed the aim of the new guide was to:

"protect the public from the damaging effects of misinformation and safeguard the integrity of our democratic process,”


Now of course we are a bit hindered in our analysis because the 'guide' is not available for scrutiny.... anywhere.  Hopefully that will change.

And of course, many of us are familiar with the volume's sponsors:
 

The report was co-written by “experts” representing several non-governmental organisations, and fact-checkers including:
  • FullFact – funded by (among others) Google, Facebook and the Open Society Foundation.
  • The Institute for Strategic Dialogue  – funded by (among others) the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Google, Facebook, over a dozen national governments and the UN.
  • Global Network on Extremism and Technology  – The academic research arm of the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism, a thinktank “designed to prevent terrorists and violent extremists from exploiting digital platforms”…and which is funded by (among others) Facebook, Amazon, Youtube and Microsoft.


Hmmm... Big tech think tanks.  Are we surprised?

The source article contains a few interesting snippets that the author managed to glean from his sources... all of which do a piss-poor job of demonstrating just what they feel are targets for "conspiracy theory" disinformation... such things as the machinations of the World Economic Forum's "Great Reset," Climate Lockdowns, and eating insects.

Please read it.  This is how your representatives are being armed to represent you... you should know this... because globalists are indoctrinating your 'leaders' so they can better represent them.

Good luck.

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  Why Did Ancient Romans Make this Baffling Metal Dodecahedron?
Posted by: BeTheGoddess - 05-09-2024, 11:38 PM - Forum: Ancient & Lost Civilizations - Replies (7)

Archeologists dug up this weird metal ball thing, I thought someone here might know a bit more about them, as apparently its not the first one found. I have no idea about what this might be used for but I have a feeling they might have a function and not be  just some ornament.

From Scientific America:

Quote: Roman dodecahedra are something of an enigma: there is no known mention of these 12-sided, hollow objects in ancient Roman texts or images. First discovered in the 18th century, around 130 dodecahedra have been found across the Roman Empire, although it is interesting that the majority have been found in northern Europe and Britain, and none have been found in Italy.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...8sfrZi8Pkd

Any ideas?

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  FBI surveillance of Americans continues...
Posted by: Maxmars - 05-09-2024, 11:38 PM - Forum: Social Issues & Civil Unrest - No Replies

Apparently the renewal of the notorious Section 702 in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) has relaxed the FBI into leaking internal emails which demonstrate that they needed to encourage their staff to do it, despite the deviation from the spirit of the law.

From Gizmodo.com: Leaked FBI Email Reportedly Shows Desperation to Justify Warrantless Wiretaps
Subtitled: "I urge everyone to continue to look for ways to appropriately use US person queries..."
 


Congress reauthorized America’s warrantless wiretapping program last month after some successful fearmongering by national security hawks on Capitol Hill. But an internal FBI email, leaked to Wired on Wednesday, may accidentally reveal how the federal law enforcement agency plans to overstep the spirit of the law, while technically maintaining the letter of the law.

The controversial spying program is Section 702 in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and allows the interception of foreign communications that sometimes include American citizens. The program ostensibly includes safeguards to ensure the law isn’t being used to unnecessarily spy on Americans, but it’s pretty clear from this new email that the FBI likes being able to get communications from Americans.



It isn't that it's exactly 'surprising,' ... just disappointing...
 

“To continue to demonstrate why tools like this are essential to our mission, we need to use them, while also holding ourselves accountable for doing so properly and in compliance with legal requirements,” the email reads, according to Wired, which notes that the italicization on the word “use” was in the original email.

The FBI email made things even more explicit by encouraging searches for Americans when looking through intercepted communications.

“I urge everyone to continue to look for ways to appropriately use US person queries to advance the mission, with the added confidence that this new pre-approval requirement will help ensure that those queries are fully compliant with the law,” the email reads.



"Welcome to the churn...."

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  Making friends with the crows
Posted by: Leftiris - 05-09-2024, 06:31 PM - Forum: Pets - Replies (15)

I've decided to make friends with the crows that feed on on my property.

I have three acres, of which two are heavily wooded, and an acre my home sits on is cleared. Nice open field. I had cut the grass just this morning. Early this evening it started to cool down, and I felt the pressure dropping and wind picking up. A short while later the wind blew in like Armageddon was coming. It stormed for a while, then the sun came out and it was a beautiful day again.

A murder of crows flew in and started to feed all over my yard. A hundred of them, easy. So, I decided to make an allegiance. Crows can be great allies. Mistreat them, and they can be worthy adversaries. They are highly intelligent, and even remember faces. Sometimes, if the bond is tight enough, they seem to pass it along from generation to generation about their allegiance with you, once a bond is established.

I laid out some peanuts for them, and some shiny screws and washers that were polished shiny. I figured they might could use them as tools, since they are known to use tools to complete tasks.

If they take the screws, I'll know I've got a murder on my side, watching over things from the trees.

I highly suggest making friends with the crows, if you've never tried it before.

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  Commercially Sensitive.
Posted by: Karl12 - 05-09-2024, 06:19 PM - Forum: Diseases & Pandemics - Replies (5)

''Commercially Sensitive'



Commercially sensitive lol


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  Determining if a conspiracy theory - is "false"
Posted by: Maxmars - 05-09-2024, 06:03 PM - Forum: Propaganda Mill - Replies (6)

Another TLDR from me...

I may be alone in my interest in the way the term "conspiracy theory" is used in today's society.  It probably has to do with my... natural disaffection with how casually the words are thrown around, steeped in tropes, memes, and bias... with utter disregard for truth... or fact.  This thread is inspired, ultimately, by the recurrence of a practice in popular media to presumably "educate" people about "conspiracy theory" and regrettably, in the final analysis, "conspiracy theorists."

A short fictional story with many unfair characterizations:


An intelligent, well-educated person has had encounters with people whom she believes suffer from an affliction.  The affliction is not medical, nor even strictly behavioral.  But it manifests in these people choosing to take on an obtusely inquisitive approach to events and assertions about which they find inconsistencies.  The events and assertions are all 'normal' and acceptable as they are, in her opinion.

Over time she amasses  a series of personal observations.  The subject of these observations is simplified and coalesces into a term she embraces to categorize them; "conspiracy theorists."  She finds many of these conspiracy theorists often rely on communicative practices and characteristics that can be used to define patterns, and has created a 'wish list' of sorts; a list with which she can project the weaknesses of the conspiracy theorists she has observed on all such people who risk challenging what she deems 'normal' and 'acceptable'...


For the record, I believe: Conspiracy theories are universal in the human condition.  It is a function of collaborative, or collective analysis of the shared environment.  It is something that - taken at its true meaning - is not exclusively the stuff of paranoia, personal weakness, nor even evil. 

Humans plan... always... and those plans are most often benign and run of the mill.  When two people plan anything, and someone is deliberately excluded from the knowledge of it, a conspiracy exists.  From surprises parties to social interventions, all manner of things all involve a degree of conspiracy... hopefully most are not 'bad' or 'evil.'

A theory is an idea of "how" something takes form and holds it, it is an expression of modelling - another particularly "human" thing to do... humans 'model' everything.


The sense of the main objection we see continuously in "conspiracy theory" discussions is that it is a repugnancy - it should be shunned socially, if not , it is the subject of disdain... only exceptional cases merit consideration... as long as the boundaries of 'conspiracy' are strictly contained within an almost always undefined 'acceptable' range.  Those who shun conspiracy theory are the only one's empowered to ascertain its actual validity...

I will be referring to one professor who crafted a 7-step guideline telling us how we judge if a conspiracy theory is false... without ever considering the theory itself... just it's form and how it is communicated.  The author speaks authoritatively, with conviction... but I have some issues (as those of you who know me thought I might.)

From Digg.com: How To Tell If A Conspiracy Theory Is Probably False
Subtitled: Conspiracy theories abound. What should you believe — and how can you tell?

Under any other circumstances, me telling you "what you should believe" and "how you can tell what to believe" should be considered presumptuous and wildly pretentious.  Belief is an existential and personal aspect of being human.  Frankly, I have, for most of my life, endured a modicum of uncertainty about everything I believe.  It appears to me as an unavoidable function of "believing" anything.  But perhaps that's just me. 

From the publication:
 

People believe false conspiracy theories for a wide range of reasons – including the fact that there are real conspiracies, like efforts by the Sackler family to profit by concealing the addictiveness of oxycontin at the cost of countless American lives.

The extreme consequences of unfounded conspiratorial beliefs could be seen on the staircases of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and in the self-immolation of a protestor outside the courthouse holding the latest Trump trial.

But if hidden forces really are at work in the world, how is someone to know what’s really going on?

That’s where my research comes in; I’m a social psychologist who studies misleading narratives. Here are some ways to vet a claim you’ve seen or heard.



There are already some points within the introduction which merit analysis, but since this is derivative work, I'll forgo any extensive effort because some of the elements may be associated with the 'reworked' and not the original material (which I could not locate.)  I will limit my comments to the fact that "social psychology" is tackling this subject as if it were a problem, rather than a normal situation.  I point out the use of the phrases "false conspiracy theories," and "unfounded conspiratorial beliefs," are prejudicial and can all be considered hallmarks of "misleading narratives."  (Also, 'vetting' is an exercise that requires focused diligent effort, not casual knee-jerk judgement.)

The seven steps the author offers are:

Step 1: Seek out the evidence
Step 2: Test the allegation
Step 3: Watch out for tangled webs
Step 4: Look for a motive
Step 5: Seek the source of the allegations
Step 6: Beware the supernatural
Step 7: Look for other warning signs

In her "Step 1: Seek out the evidence" our author acknowledges that some conspiracy theories have been confirmed... because there was evidence found. Then she adds...

But unfounded conspiracy theories reveal their lack of evidence and substitute instead several elements that should be red flags for skeptics:
Dismissing traditional sources of evidence, claiming they are in on the plot.
Claiming that missing information is because someone is hiding it, even though it’s common that not all facts are known completely for some time after an event.
Attacking apparent inconsistencies as evidence of lies.
Overinterpreting ambiguity as evidence: A flying object may be unidentified – but that’s different from identifying it as an alien spaceship.
Using anecdotes – especially vaguely attributed ones – in place of evidence, such as “people are saying” such-and-such or “my cousin’s friend experienced” something.
Attributing knowledge to secret messages that only a select few can grasp – rather than evidence that’s plain and clear to all.



Never dismissing "traditional" sources is ultimately equivalent to saying "traditional sources" are always admissible"... that there can be no reason to question them... does she not remember the COVID "pandemic" and the ongoing "vaccine" debacle?  

Can anyone remember when there was NO traditional sources offering information about something (UFOs anyone?) 

When the only available sources were non-"traditional" should they be excluded from consideration? How will 'fact' be determined if you are excluding information? Had the cigarette companies not "hidden" their knowledge? The only sources for that "proved" conspiracy were anecdotal, and none were "traditional."  Cigarette company "secrets" existed, did they not?  

When data which should be equivalent contradicts, is that not an inconsistency?  Someone referring to that as "lies" may be a way of saying a "purposeful" inconsistency? That "someone" is NOT the theory itself. (A common counter-tactic to oppose a theory is to assume the speakers weaknesses in argumentation belong to the theory, not the person... it's a choice she makes.)

"Lack of evidence" as a primary reason to completely eject any theory is unscientific.  Most theories lack evidence, hence their status as "theory."  That which you might regard as "evidence" is NOT always "plain to see" and "out in the open."  Shall we presume it does not exist, or invalidate it out of hand?

In Step 2: Test the allegation she makes generalizations that lack strength, because they single out theorists of the conspiratorial kind... ignoring that her observations are not so restricted.
 

Often, a conspiracy theorist presents only evidence that confirms their idea. Rarely do they put their idea to the tests of logic, reasoning and critical thinking.
While they may say they do research, they typically do not apply the scientific method. Specifically, they don’t actually try to prove themselves wrong.
So a skeptic can follow the method scientists use when they do research: Think about what evidence would contradict the explanation – and then go looking for that evidence.
Sometimes that effort will yield confirmation that the explanation is correct. And sometimes not. Like a scientist, ask yourself: What would it take for you to believe your perception was wrong?



Here, she speaks of conspiracy theorists specifically, not conspiracy theory.  Part of a 'redirect' that when reversed is often characterized as "mean spirited" and more.

For example: "Often, a conspiracy theorist presents only evidence that confirms their idea..." To which I might say, "No. you're thinking of politicians, sales staff, marketers, economists, stock brokers, research investigators, and religious zealots..."

In fact, the entire point of talking about a "conspiracy theory" is to tell "why you are considering it" which accounts for focusing on that which confirms it.  So the description of that practice as a "negative" is biased and prejudicial... and avoids the reality that this is what many people do when the try to explore any topic.

Modern academic social exploration of conspiracy theory is largely 'unscientific' so far, relying heavily on personal characterizations, and transient social considerations.  Often focusing on the nature of the "theorists" and projecting their findings on any and all theories.

No one casually tries to "prove themselves wrong" and that is not how most I know of try to affirm their positions, theoretical or not.  Science distinguishes itself in that concept is directly incorporated in the scientific 'method'... or at least it used to be, before "appearances" became a common mantra of science publication.

Frankly I have personally found many people became conspiracy theorists when they pursued the scientific method and found that some cherished assertion wasn't consistent with reality.  But that is just me.

In Step 3: Watch out for tangled webs our esteemed author recognizes something perennial in some conspiracy theories... multi-interest conspiracies which endure over longer time spans, characterizing them as a "tangled web" to be 'watched for" as an indication of invalidity.
 

When theories claim large groups of people are perpetrating wide-ranging activities over a long period of time, that’s another red flag.
Confirmed conspiracies typically involve small, isolated groups, like the top echelon of a company or a single terrorist cell. Even the alliance among tobacco companies to hide their products’ danger was confined to those at the top, who made decisions and enlisted paid scientists and ad agencies to spread their messages.
False conspiracies tend to implicate wide swaths of people, such as world leaders, mainstream media outlets, the global scientific community, the Hollywood entertainment industry and interconnected government agencies.
The online manifesto of Max Azzarello – the man who self-immolated on the steps of a New York courthouse in April 2024– railed against a conspiracy allegedly including every president since Bill Clinton, sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, even the writers of “The Simpsons.”
Remember that the more people who supposedly know a secret, the harder it is to keep.



I hate to directly invalidate some ideas, because they are almost never 'absolutely' wrong.  But trying to create an impression that only "small" groups are capable of being a foundational element of a conspiracy is simplistic and wishful.  I probably don't have to get into examples of published long-range plans of certain global ideologies to 'affect' their enemies, of large-scale exploitations of cabals of industrialists to 'fix' markets for exploitation, or even local political shenanigans carried out to effect purely political ends... many non-conspiracy theorists acknowledge them openly now. She does not, apparently they can't exist.

Her final thrust in this segment is to evoke the public behavior of a troubled man... thus forever associating it with "conspiracy theory."  His troubles are now forever associate with ALL conspiracy theory.  Yes, I find that weak.... and by the way when a lot of people know something it is NOT a secret... that doesn't mean it is not conspiracy.

She advises us in Step 4: Look for a motive that an idea of motive should be considered.  She is correct.  I'm uncertain of exactly who the "conspiracy theorist" are who make up the bulk of her 'observations'... I for one have never heard that the existence of Finland was in question... but the idea of excluding "agendas" as a motive seems oddly highlighted.
 

Confirmed conspiracies tell stories about why a group of people acted as they did and what they hoped to gain. Dubious conspiracies involve a lot of accusations or just questions without examining what real benefit the conspiracy nets the conspirators, especially when factoring in the costs.
For instance, what purpose would NASA have to lie about the existence of Finland?
Be particularly suspicious when conspiracies allege an “agenda” being perpetrated by an entire sociodemographic, which is often a marginalized group, such as a “gay agenda” or “Muslim agenda.”
Also look to see whether those spreading the conspiracy theories have something to gain. For example, scholarly research has identified the 12 people who are the primary sources of false claims about vaccinations. The researchers also found that those people profit from making those claims.



Most allegations of agendas that I was aware of regard "agendas" as the stuff of individual machinations... ultimately, one.  That situations and circumstances could be so affected by a single person, or idea, or ideal shared between persons, is not the stuff of "fear" but instead of intrigue to the conspiracy theorist.

How each individual characterizes that intrigue is personal... and often fraught with whatever baggage the conspiracy theorist brings to it.  Whether passion or compulsion drives the theorist into 'supposition' masquerading as deductions is a personal affectation - not all theories are built upon this.  That reality is, however, easily preyed upon to dismiss a theory 'out of hand.'  This seems reasonably natural.

When a racist holds a theory, he or she will accommodate that bias in all narratives, almost without fail.  It is not pertinent to any but the most egregiously specific racially constructed theories.  You know the kind, and you know from whom you hear them... yes... those conspiracy theories. While there are only a few of those kinds of conspiracy theories, there are many (many) people suffering from some form of bias.

But racially aligned conspiracy theories do not represented ALL conspiracy theories by any means.  Most have absolutely nothing to do with race or "flavor of human" at all.  Most have to do with some single-purposed ambition, towards whatever gain can be ascertained by deduction.  Conspiracy theories are a mystery, not a vice.  A vice is what people engender, through their own internalization of passion and desire... Conspiracy theories are just collections of data, some reliable, some not so much.  

Perhaps inexplicably (perhaps not) there has been an ongoing and pervasive projection of negativity onto any theorist... regardless of the actual subject of inquiry.

Step 5: Seek the source of the allegations seems to imply that knowing who asked the first question... once again dropping back to the default position of making the conspiracy theory about the 'validity' of the person communicating it, not the subject itself.  If you find the person objectionable in any way, the theory can be ignored.
 

If you can’t figure out who is at the root of a conspiracy allegation and thus how they came to know what they claim, that is another red flag. Some people say they have to remain anonymous because the conspiracists will take revenge for revealing information. But even so, a conspiracy can usually be tracked back to its source – maybe a social media account, even an anonymous one.
Over time, anonymous sources either come forward or are revealed. For instance, years after the Watergate scandal took down Richard Nixon’s presidency, a key inside source known as “Deep Throat” was revealed to be Mark Felt, who had been a high-level FBI official in the early 1970s.
Even the notorious “Q” at the heart of the QAnon conspiracy cult has been identified, and not by government investigators chasing leaks of national secrets. Surprise! Q is not the high-level official some people believed.
Reliable sources are transparent.



I kind of recoil at this content...

The identity of "Deep Throat" was revealed decades later, although the way it is presented here seems to indicate that "we all knew all about "Deep Throat." 

Judging by the "Q" assertion, it seems clear that the author still doesn't get "Q" and simply believes "traditional" media reporting and nothing else.

And as for the last line... "Reliable sources are transparent." I can't resist the urge to simply ask... "Really?  You just said that.... really?"

Coming in at Step 6: Beware the supernatural Some more convenient wordsmithing comes into play... attributing validity based on the way you characterize "theory."  Conflating fandom and zealotry, misjudging timelines, and making broad assumptions.
 

Some conspiracy theories – though none that have been proven – involve paranormal, alien, demonic or other supernatural forces. People alive in the 1980s and 1990s might remember the public fear that satanic cults were abusing and sacrificing children. That idea never disappeared entirely.
And around the same time, perhaps inspired by the TV series “V,” some Americans began to believe in lizard people. It may seem harmless to keep hoping for evidence of Bigfoot, but the person who detonated a bomb in downtown Nashville on Dec. 25, 2020, apparently believed lizard people ran the Earth.
The closer the conspiracy is to science fiction, the closer it is to just being fiction.



The reason they are called 'theories" is precisely because they haven't been proven.  Faulting a theory because it hasn't been proven is circular, and most people will figure that out... I don't think the author is helping her case here. 

By the way, people have maintained a firm belief in "reptilians" for millennia.  Apparently she thinks "Hollywood" actually 'created' the idea... When was the last time that ever happened? 

Finally, the entire idea of Science Fiction is that it is fiction about scientific possibilities...  Transmission of energy via wireless was science fiction for long time (relatively speaking)... would assertions about it's active suppression be a conspiracy theory; maybe it was... but it was demonstrably true.  Almost anything we see and do was once closer to fiction than reality... where is the weakness in that assertion?

In Step 7: Look for other warning signs we find the "potpourri" category, whatever else.
 

There are other red flags too, like the use of prejudicial tropes about the group allegedly behind the conspiracy, particularly antisemitic allegations.
But rather than doing the work to really examine their conspiratorial beliefs, believers often choose to write off the skeptics as fools or as also being in on it – whatever “it” may be.
Ultimately, that’s part of the allure of conspiracy theories. It is easier to dismiss criticism than to admit you might be wrong.



Another attempt to conflate conspiracy theory with racists and racially motivated objectives.  Yet another characterization of "conspiracy theorists" (not theories) being deficient in analysis, understanding, and manifesting ignorance.  She does get one thing right though... "It is easier to dismiss criticism than to admit you might be wrong."




I hope I haven't made this too difficult to follow.  A new friend of mine and I were discussing my ability to be incomprehensible from time to time, if so, I only hope you can forgive me... 

Be well everyone.

MaxMars

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  Salutations Brothers and Sisters
Posted by: Rigel4 - 05-09-2024, 05:52 PM - Forum: Introductions - Replies (6)

Somone nice gave me the nod to here.. thank you 
I do prefer this format to Discord!

Be seeing you around 
take care 

Rigel4

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  Funny Film Clips.
Posted by: Karl12 - 05-09-2024, 11:04 AM - Forum: Chit Chat - Replies (41)

Do love me some funny film clips

Young Dr Frankenstein lol



Please post yours

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  Enigma Labs / Report a UFO Sighting
Posted by: Waterglass - 05-09-2024, 06:58 AM - Forum: Aliens & UFOs - Replies (2)

For your REFERENCE!

I have submitted several UFO sightings to NUFORC amd MUFON and one to The Black Vault. I stumbled onto this web site and based on the videos I saw, many were what I have seen. Yes and sure some of the sightings are stars or planets but if you as in yourself has seen a UFO you should be able to distingush between a UFO, satellite, plane, comet, meterorite, star, planet, swamp gas, garbage can lids, frisbees, space junk, ISS and the moon. 

Heres a link and take a look as to whats in your state or country. The APP for Apple phones if it works is kick ass. 

Screen shot as enhanced by "The Black Vault" of a video taken by me of our UFO sighting on May 4, 2018 over Lake Murray South Carolina. Report filed on NUFORC. TBV Investigator Monica, wrote that she is seeing a triangular object surrounded by the wispy bubbly atmosphere.  The green lines were made by her to delineate the object.  We last saw them over labor day weekend 2022 over the Savannah River Nuclear Reservation which is just North of the Georgia border. We also have the silent Black Triangles down here. I know of 5 other ATS members who have also seen and videoed them but they wont come out in public.  

https://enigmalabs.io/



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  Gentleperson's Guide to Government Trolls.
Posted by: Karl12 - 05-09-2024, 01:02 AM - Forum: Propaganda Mill - Replies (11)

Following the recent announcement that internet 'trolls' could face jail time for posting content that causes 'psychological harm'..




Quote:Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

Trolls could face two years in prison for sending messages or posting content that causes psychological harm under legislation targeting online hate.

LINK




Then did wonder if this same (or similar) law would apply to paid internet 'trolls' in the form of government CoIntelPro disinfo agents and intel operative shills.


The Worst Trolls On The Internet Are The Government Trolls



If not then why not?







Quote:Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups.

Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups” which spread what he views as false and damaging “conspiracy theories” about the government.


PDF Files:

HOW COVERT AGENTS INFILTRATE THE INTERNET TO MANIPULATE, DECEIVE, AND DESTROY REPUTATIONS

The ART of DECEPTION C. IGCHO. TRAINING FOR A NEW GENERATION OF ONLINE COVERT OPERATIONS.




Am sure it doesn't apply to these boards but there's some relevant info below dealing with the stark reality of CoIntelPro shills in a active, open play on internet forums.. with this handy 'Gentleperson's Guide' to spotting their odious antics.



Quote:The Gentleperson’s Guide to Forum Spies


COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a ‘uncontrolled forum.’


• Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING’


• Technique #2 – ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’


•Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’


• Technique #4 – ‘INFORMATION COLLECTION’


•Technique #5 – ‘ANGER TROLLING’


• Technique #6 – ‘GAINING FULL CONTROL’


Full List

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  Tik Tok sues US Govt... the saga continues
Posted by: Maxmars - 05-08-2024, 08:02 PM - Forum: General Conspiracies - Replies (4)

This is another follow-on about the TikTok and its - now legislated - impending expulsion from the US market...

If you are completely new to the topic I offer this simplistic explanation.  TikTok has become wildly popular, particularly to the younger demographic, within the US.  As a platform for communicating it figures among the most frequented internet "locations" in which they engage in social media use.  TikTok is not American-owned.  The US market is important, but has been reported that the US government is alarmed by the relationship it shares with the Chinese government... a known "Foreign Adversary."  The US issued an ultimatum, "Transfer TikTok to a non-Chinese owner, or don't do business here."  Senators, and Congressional member sent this ultimatum in the form U.S. Legislation (H.R.7521 - Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act) which I expand upon in the thread "Recent legislation "banning" TikTok might not survive."

As should have been expected, our legislators crafted the wording of the new "law" in a troublingly ignorant way.  And now TikTok is pursuing the matter by suing the government for... well... you'll see.

From ArsTechnica: TikTok and its Chinese owner sue US government over “foreign adversary” law
Subtitled: Law curtails "massive amounts of protected speech," TikTok and ByteDance allege.
 


TikTok and its owner ByteDance today sued the federal government to block the "Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications" law that would prohibit TikTok in the US if the company isn't sold to a non-Chinese firm. The complaint in the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit alleges that the law is unconstitutional and asks for a court order prohibiting enforcement.

TikTok and ByteDance say the law "would allow the government to decide that a company may no longer own and publish the innovative and unique speech platform it created. If Congress can do this, it can circumvent the First Amendment by invoking national security and ordering the publisher of any individual newspaper or website to sell to avoid being shut down."

The law will "silenc[e] the 170 million Americans who use the platform to communicate in ways that cannot be replicated elsewhere," TikTok and ByteDance alleged.

"By banning all online platforms and software applications offered by 'TikTok' and all ByteDance subsidiaries, Congress has made a law curtailing massive amounts of protected speech," the lawsuit said. "Unlike broadcast television and radio stations, which require government licenses to operate because they use the public airwaves, the government cannot, consistent with the First Amendment, dictate the ownership of newspapers, websites, online platforms, and other privately created speech forums."



There's the First Amendment hit we should have expected...  and now the Fifth...
 

TikTok and ByteDance claim the law violates "the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause because it singles Petitioners out for adverse treatment without any reason for doing so" and "effects an unlawful taking of private property without just compensation, in violation of the Fifth Amendment's Takings Clause." TikTok and ByteDance also say the US law "is an unconstitutional bill of attainder" because it singles out the plaintiffs "for legislative punishment."


The legislators, lawyers most of them, built a legal weapon specifically pointed at TikTok... that's not cool man.  They never should have specified TikTok in the legislation, and now we see the fight continuing... at least the lawyers will be well-paid.

I have to wonder if they crafted the legislation wanting to lose this battle... or maybe keep it going.
 

The US would try to justify the law on national security grounds. US lawmakers have alleged that the Chinese Communist Party can weaponize TikTok to manipulate public opinion and access user data.


Of course, once this goes into the National Security realm... let's just say we won't be privy to all the details anymore.

The show is not over, folks!

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  Scientist exploration of the brain and Immune Responses
Posted by: Maxmars - 05-08-2024, 05:23 PM - Forum: Science & Technology - No Replies

Recently, a dear friend of mine ran across a fascinating article at Nature.com which I intend to offer for discussion.  It's a bit difficult because the source, while well-written and professional in its form leaves me with some reservations. I am not exactly sure I would have expanded upon it exactly as she has... but I am just a layman.

Source - Nature.com: Found: the dial in the brain that controls the immune system
Subtitled: Scientists identify the brain cells that regulate inflammation, and pinpoint how they keep tabs on the immune response.

Based Upon Nature.com: A body–brain circuit that regulates body inflammatory responses

The article tries to present that scientists have identified certain cell-types in the brainstem that react to immune 'cues' from the body thus acting as a 'master regulator' of inflammatory responses.

While this description adequately reflects the notional relationship between some signals and the brains' activity, it seems a bit premature to declare it the master regulator in a dynamic electrochemical engine.  But I must give credit to researchers who chose to 'look' at the problem with an eye for what they were missing.  From the article:


The results, published on 1 May in Nature1, suggest that the brain maintains a delicate balance between the molecular signals that promote inflammation and those that dampen it — a finding that could lead to treatments for autoimmune diseases and other conditions caused by an excessive immune response.

The discovery is akin to a black-swan event — unexpected but making perfect sense once revealed, says Ruslan Medzhitov, an immunologist at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. Scientists have known that the brainstem has many functions, such as controlling basic processes such as breathing. However, he adds, the study “shows that there is whole layer of biology that we haven’t even anticipated”.



Researchers stimulated and observed immune responses in mice, specifically watching the vagus nerve.  The vagus nerve is a clustering of both sensing and motor nerves that runs from the brain into the thorax and has been demonstrated to be important in autonomic functions such as breathing.  There are certain elements of this nerve which respond directly and immediately in the presence of those chemical signals which 'tell' the brain that an infectious event may be underway.  These nerves apparently initiate a process which makes the immune response (commonly referred to as "inflammation.")

From the research:

... We demonstrate that pro- and anti-inflammatory cytokines communicate with distinct populations of vagal neurons to inform the brain of an emerging inflammatory response. In turn, the brain tightly modulates the course of the peripheral immune response...


The research may be central to medical treatment development in cases where the immune system harms the patient, as in Long COVID, arthritis, and multiple sclerosis.  It allows for a theoretical application that might intercede when the immune system is as, or more, damaging than the illness.  A promising prospect.

From the research again:

Genetic silencing of this body-to-brain circuit produced unregulated and out-of-control inflammatory responses. By contrast, activating, rather than silencing, this circuit affords exceptional neural control of immune responses. We used single-cell RNA sequencing, combined with functional imaging, to identify the circuit components of this neuro-immune axis, and showed that its selective manipulation can effectively suppress the pro-inflammatory response while enhancing an anti-inflammatory state. The brain-evoked transformation of the course of an immune response offers new possibilities in the modulation of a wide range of immune disorders, from autoimmune diseases to cytokine storm and shock.


While I may be alone in this regard, I find the idea of RNA sequencing as a solution to be precarious.  But the promise of being able to keep people from suffering is ample motivation to pursue the idea.  The Scientists are understandably cautious, much to my relief.

From the article:

Besides the neuronal network identified in the study, there might be other routes through which the body transmits immune signals to the brain, says Stephen Liberles, a neuroscientist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts. What’s more, the mechanisms by which the brain sends signals back to the immune system to regulate inflammation remain unclear. “We’re just scratching the surface,” he says. “We need to understand the rule book of how the brain and the immune system interact.”


My special thanks to she who pointed me to this article.  This research holds promise.

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  Dam UFOs.
Posted by: Karl12 - 05-08-2024, 01:43 PM - Forum: Aliens & UFOs - Replies (11)

Loads (and loads) of reports of UFOs over bodies of water but thought Preston Dennett did a great job below of compiling some very interesting UFO incidents over dams.

Some pretty fascinating global eyewitness descriptions involving unknown objects emerging from the water; putting out light beams; emitting humming / buzzing noises etc. - also the usual patterns including EM effects, physiological effects, physical trace evidence, animal reaction, power outages, strange mists etc..






Casefiles:






Quote:This video presents more than 30 cases of UFOs hovering over dams. And not only hovering, but landing too. Several cases also involve humanoids.

The evidence for these cases is astounding. There are multiple witnesses, physiological effects, electromagnetic effects, landing traces, photos and more. In some cases, the UFOs appear to be siphoning water from the reservoirs, or electricity from the power stations.

Some of the dams are visited over and over again. These cases reach back from the modern age of UFOs in 1947 to the present day, and are occurring all over the world: Australia, Canada, Europe, Canada, the United States, South America and more.

Why are UFOs visiting our dams?







There's also a pretty great interview below with Portuguese researcher Francisco Mourao Correa exploring UFO (OVNI) cases from the country and the open attitude of the country's Military towards the subject.

He also relates a 'dam UFO' case where a 'disc with small windows' caused a pilot to scream at the ground radio operator, his instrument panel to go haywire and the aircraft nearly crash (power outage reported at same time and area).











Quote:• Portuguese Military: Shocking Candor about UFOs.


Francisco Mourao Correa discusses incredible UFO encounters from Portugal's history, especially during the Cold War era, and describes the attitude toward UFOs by the highest echelon's of Portugal's military.

This includes the former Chief of Staff of the Portuguese Air Force, General Tomás Conceição e Silva. The conversation closes with a discussion on the need for evidence-based ufology and the preservation of our precious history in understanding this phenomenon.



Anyone who has any idea what's going on or knows of other specific cases please post.

Beer

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  A weird place
Posted by: Leftiris - 05-08-2024, 12:33 PM - Forum: Religion, Faith, & Theology - Replies (4)

File this one under faith.

I'd like to write a little about something that been on my mind lately. I've come to a weird new place and so I really just want to get this off of my chest a bit. I'm not really looking for guidance or suggestions really. I'd really just like to lay this put, see if anyone is, or ever has been in thie same place as I am right now.

Basically, the jest of it is, my desires. Or lack there of.

I have been on spiritual journey for quite some time now. I am in a good place in my heart my mind and my spirit. I am happy, and I am at peace.

I am in a new place in the sense that, I no longer desire anything that is of this world anymore.
I no longer desire money or success. I do not desire to be a part of the politics. I do not desire to be in any romantic relationships. I do not desire anymore than I need. I don't follow any of the trends. I have no desire to make videos of myself, or others in the hopes that I'll go viral.

There is nothing this world has to offer me, that I now do not already have. Which isn't much, and yet I feel rich.

I have found the treasures that I desire. But they are not of this world. I seek those treasures now, and I am at a place where that is all that really matters to me anymore.

I have become detached from any worldly desire. I've pretty well seen it all at this point. I've been rich. I've been poor. I've been free and I've been caged. What I've learned from my extensive travels through this world and this life is...

I'd rather share bread with the poor and humble, than eat steak and lobster with the rich and powerful.

This is not a bad place to be. I am at a crossroads and I have no clue which way I'm heading, what my next move is, and I have lost all desires for the "things" of this world.

I still have love for my fellow mankind. With these desires gone, and as I sit here, I have no clue what to do with myself now. But, honestly, that's a nice feeling. I feel no pressure what's so ever. I just have no clue, and am at a 'what now' point. So, I thought I'd write it our. Maybe it will help with the process. It's kind of a weird feeling, having detached from the world and the grind like this. A weird place I've never been before.

Eventually ill find my next project, or step ill take. But for now, I'm just going to chill in my new weird place.

Thanks for listening DI. Anyone else ever experienced this? It's different, but actually very peaceful. Beer Cool Thumbup

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  Found on Reddit *** Interdimensional Aliens are the root cause of schizophrenia
Posted by: putnam6 - 05-08-2024, 04:31 AM - Forum: Aliens & UFOs - Replies (5)

Found this on Reddit and thought Id share it's an alien angle Ive never seen mentioned, thought it was interesting because hasn't there been an alleged increase in mental illnesses?

Regardless a few common alien tropes mixed in but I never heard the theory poltergeists were interdimensional alien beings either


https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...are_button

Interdimensional Aliens are the root cause of schizophrenia and many other mental illnesses!

Quote:Interdimensional Aliens are the root cause of schizophrenia and many other mental illnesses!I can't believe this is so limited to find on the internet, while it is absolutely obvious but there is an annoying twist. There are poltergeists without bodies among us in lower dimensions and may come across as dark shadow blobs smelling like smoke that many schizophrenic people see changing over time, you will hear people talk about it in the comments and there are aliens or hybrids with a body, operating in higher dimensions. They are not space aliens but hybrids or mutants vessels created straight from earth.
The reptilian aliens originated from Velociraptor DNA running a hybridization program to become humanoid and walk among us to influence society. This also goes for gray aliens which originate from a giant praying mantis which people also see during DMT drug use.
 
The hybridization program. [Image: https://i.ibb.co/t2JQ2gK/Screenshot-2024...45-037.jpg][Image: https://i.ibb.co/r7xSHjj/Screenshot-2024...26-014.jpg]
These are real abduction drawings from hypnotic regressions done on abductees. Gray aliens are hybrids from praying mantises also called Mantoids, it's a step to walk among us as humans.In regards to poltergeists, this makes up for there being different type of alien abductions and sightings. Sleep paralysis are done by invisible shadow blobs or figures, out of body abductions are done by an (astral body) orb. Physical abductions are done by either a craft or object of light, also related to the (Body of Light) which is a state of dematerializing into photon particles. I'll post wiki links in the comments about this.
Here are few different body type techniques aliens use, almost nobody knows this yet: This is related to real paranormal sightings we are having.
[Image: https://i.ibb.co/K6F9WmW/Screenshot-2024...58-468.jpg]Shadowfigure body also called an Etheric body. 
[Image: https://i.ibb.co/QN3f9m0/Screenshot-2024...43-057.jpg]Small clouded UFO orbs are astral bodies, this is how they abduct people with an out of body experience, it's basically a transparent copy of your body called an astral projection, is why aliens or hybrids can appear as ghost sightings. 
Bright UFO orbs: This is a Body of light used for physical transport abductions, it's basically dematerializing into biophoton particles into an energyfield to travel in higher realms, planes or what we call Dimensions.Having said this, this is why aliens or hybrids are related to poltergeist activity, they use black magic powers or techniques like magicians and mentalists. They can read your minds, predict movements you make or simply control you in any direction they want through calculations and matrix codes, it's a form of subliminal hypnosis.
The only evidence for human hybrids walking among us at the moment are paranormal videos like cryptids, people having mental illnesses, or having alter egos. They are trying to run our lives like it's a game, there are several movies hinting to this.
Here are a few movies related to real mental health cases and controlled possessions mostly related to Gangstalking:
They Live (aliens live inside of us)
The Truman show (as the actors running the simulation, causing planned and staged events)
The Box (using humans as a proxy, watching you through the eyes of others)
The Game (playing with us)
Eyes Wide Shut (mind controlling the elites, giving them alter egos or engaging into perverted acts.)
The message of this post and the answer of these movies are, invisible aliens or apparitions are possessing people from an unseen dimension, they also can give people nightmares, hallucinations, alter people's perception or give people alter ego's.
I'm not interested in promoting my sub /Alienhybridsabuse but I collect there all my research and evidence also hoping experiencers will share their testimonies there for researching purposes. I managed to link elites abusing children to alter ego's and possessions.
[Image: https://i.ibb.co/J3Pr8K1/Screenshot-2024...23-332.jpg]The evidence for Aliens Walking among us are poltergeist apparitions and possession.Also I managed to get in contact with 2 alien hybrids through my research, they were remote viewing me and guessed my personal info which is what they can do, so this is not a joke. I now figured out through an abductee and Target individual I simply talked with their alter ego's, which is linked to DID = Dissociative Identity Disorder. There are beings that attach themselves towards your silvercord, this is why some people have magic abilities, seeing hallucinations and many more stuff. The movie Split answers this correctly.

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  Canada Bill C-Sixty-Three
Posted by: Kenzo - 05-08-2024, 02:31 AM - Forum: Current Events - No Replies

Bill C-63 is  the online harms act . I would not normally post about a bill , not even a law yet.....but as far i can understand Bill C-63 goes far beyond anything seen yet .

It seems like the new bill includes , police the power to retroactively search the Internet for ‘hate speech’ violations and arrest offenders, even if the offence occurred before the law existed.

So you said something in the past , now it can be weaponized against you .


Canada introduces blood-curdling new ‘thought police’ law that would make even Stalin blush…

Even Orwell’s Thought Police didn’t go as far as Trudeau





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  Have You Heard of Giant Spiders Called J'BA Fofi?
Posted by: lostbook - 05-08-2024, 01:23 AM - Forum: Cryptozoology - Replies (8)

I learned about giant spiders called J'BA Fofi while browsing thru Youtube for interesting facts about the Congo in Africa.  One of these interesting facts is about the Jba Fofi, giant Spiders which inhabit some areas in the forests of the Congo.  These spiders are said to be highly venemous with the first one being seen in 1850 and the last one seen in 2014 or 2015.  These giant spiders( giant Tarantulas) are just one of the many mysteries of the Congo; other mysteries include: a 50 ft long alligator, Dinosaur like creatures, many species, of monkey or ape including Great Apes, Billi Chimps, and other mysterious ape varieties.  For the sake of this thread, however, I'll stick to J'ba Fofi or the Giant Spiders which are said to have legs as long as 6ft and eat Monkeys and other small prey.

I can't find them on Wiki so I've uploaded a short Youtube video which apparently shows somne.
What does ATS think?

https://youtu.be/-aEmykU3R-M?si=LM4SM-UQ2MJI6dOT

J'ba Fofi - Mokele Mbembe

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  Las Vegas UFO Video Takes On New Plausibility
Posted by: IdeomotorPrisoner - 05-08-2024, 12:43 AM - Forum: Aliens & UFOs - Replies (5)

https://ktla.com/news/las-vegas-alien-vi...pert-says/



So there's something that allegedly can't be explained in this video, and not where you'd expect it.

There's a 30% opaque 7 to 8 foot tall homind that is too tricky to add as an artifact and too perfectly integrated intuitively. You can watch multiple shadows react to its motion...

And also the triangulated "meteor", based on multiple videos, that pinpointed to the area of Angel's property, emitted no infrared signature, and made aerodynamic noise in sync with its luminosity.

There's so much to this one. Are they really pitstopping in Vegas backyards to break into tractors for parts?

Like I said elsewhere, it's like the smoking gun evidence that gets trolled.

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