Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[Oldcarpy2]

Zelenskyy outing himself as a true blue Putin Puppet. 
God help The EU now! 

Blimey. Do you live in some alternative reality?

It's beyond obvious that Putin is pulling Trump's strings....

[guyfriday]

I've said it before, I will say it again, "Everyone want the war to end except the NATO, Zelensky, and certain members of the US Congress."

I hope everyone can figure this out now.

[Oldcarpy2]

I've said it before, I will say it again, "Everyone want the war to end except the NATO, Zelensky, and certain members of the US Congress."

I hope everyone can figure this out now.

Yeah, Putin really wants his War to end?

Seriously?

You may not have noticed, but Trump has bypassed Congress, and your Constitution.

[Maxmars]

[Edit to add: Ooops, responding to earlier post: https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Trump-i...3#pid38263]


I didn't register that report as portraying an accusation... but narrative's have momentum.

It should have been self-evident that Crimea's status was a central contention (how could it not?)

Knowing this surfaces an 'offer' which cannot pass muster...

They make it anyway... 

The inevitable "refusal" becomes media fodder.

Here we are.

I would like them to commit to a deal...

This was never so simple a case as "Russia gets Crimea and we have a deal"... so why pretend it is now?





I don't understand how the posturing and "showmanship" improves the bargaining.

[xuenchen]

All 'leaders' of nation states are controlled by higher forces. I know Trump is largely controlled by the oil company folks and also to a large degree Zionist and Israeli ties, for example; my question is, who is pulling Zelensky's strings? 
To me personally it smells like European version of MIC, the front-side being NATO, the back side being arms dealers as well as human and organ traffickers.

Good possibility, but what did the oil company folks do to force Trump to run for President in 2015? 
He wasn't "involved" before like Hillary was. What prevented them from selecting Hillary, who was always a true Puppet? 

[xuenchen]

I've said it before, I will say it again, "Everyone want the war to end except the NATO, Zelensky, and certain members of the US Congress."

I hope everyone can figure this out now.

Money Funnels! 

[pianopraze]

Democrat started/funded wars = bad.
Republican started/funded wars = bad.

Get out of war = good.

I’m for that.

[putnam6]

[Edit to add: Ooops, responding to earlier post: https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Trump-i...3#pid38263]


I didn't register that report as portraying an accusation... but narrative's have momentum.

It should have been self-evident that Crimea's status was a central contention (how could it not?)

Knowing this surfaces an 'offer' which cannot pass muster...

They make it anyway... 

The inevitable "refusal" becomes media fodder.

Here we are.

I would like them to commit to a deal...

This was never so simple a case as "Russia gets Crimea and we have a deal"... so why pretend it is now?





I don't understand how the posturing and "showmanship" improves the bargaining.

It doesn't, but pray tell, what would in the situation?  One assumes Zelenskyy is backed into a corner, and now Russia will continue to pound and take ground till he is more apt to discuss terms realistically 

Depends solely on Europe's and the UK's 32-tailed 5-headed dragon...

[sahgwa]

Good possibility, but what did the oil company folks do to force Trump to run for President in 2015? 
He wasn't "involved" before like Hillary was. What prevented them from selecting Hillary, who was always a true Puppet? 

It's off topic but I found plenty of oil companies that paid for his inauguration and helped his campaign finances. 
Isn't he the 'drill baby drill' guy? What's not for them to love?

[sahgwa]

It doesn't, but pray tell, what would in the situation?  One assumes Zelenskyy is backed into a corner, and now Russia will continue to pound and take ground till he is more apt to discuss terms realistically 

Depends solely on Europe's and the UK's 32-tailed 5-headed dragon...

I think a lot of people forget that before all this nonsense of the SMO, and even after the so called annexation vote, Ukraine and Russia were sharing the port in Crimea and had an agreement for dual use. 

Ukraine and Russian navy were both docked there, not to mention commercial traffic.