Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

NATO bombed it's own civilians for funding/support/raison d'etre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

The Italians uncovered this and it's kind of been an open secret but once again I digress.

[sahgwa]

Updatey 
 US President Donald Trump has accused Volodymyr Zelensky of harming peace negotiations, after the Ukrainian president said Kyiv would not recognise Russian control of Crimea.
Writing on Truth Social, Trump claimed a deal to end the war was "very close", but that Zelensky's refusal to accept US terms "will do nothing but prolong" the conflict.

Earlier, US Vice-President JD Vance laid out the US vision for a deal, saying it would "freeze the territorial lines [...] close to where they are today".
Ukraine has long said it will not give up Crimea, which was illegally annexed by Russia in 2014.
Vance said the deal would mean Ukraine and Russia "are both going to have to give up some of the territory they currently own.."
Zelensky immediately shot down the idea.
"There's nothing to talk about here. This is against our constitution," he said.
Later, after Trump called Zelensky's remarks "inflammatory", the Ukrainian president said: "Emotions have run high today."
Recognising Russia's illegal occupation of Crimea would not only be politically impossible for Zelensky to accept, it would also be contrary to post-war international legal norms that borders should not be changed by force.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78jx68d922o

[xuenchen]

Zelenskyy outing himself as a true blue Putin Puppet. 
God help The EU now! 

[sahgwa]

All 'leaders' of nation states are controlled by higher forces. I know Trump is largely controlled by the oil company folks and also to a large degree Zionist and Israeli ties, for example; my question is, who is pulling Zelensky's strings? 
To me personally it smells like European version of MIC, the front-side being NATO, the back side being arms dealers as well as human and organ traffickers.

[Oldcarpy2]

Zelenskyy outing himself as a true blue Putin Puppet. 
God help The EU now! 

Blimey. Do you live in some alternative reality?

It's beyond obvious that Putin is pulling Trump's strings....

[guyfriday]

I've said it before, I will say it again, "Everyone want the war to end except the NATO, Zelensky, and certain members of the US Congress."

I hope everyone can figure this out now.

[Oldcarpy2]

I've said it before, I will say it again, "Everyone want the war to end except the NATO, Zelensky, and certain members of the US Congress."

I hope everyone can figure this out now.

Yeah, Putin really wants his War to end?

Seriously?

You may not have noticed, but Trump has bypassed Congress, and your Constitution.

[Maxmars]

[Edit to add: Ooops, responding to earlier post: https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Trump-i...3#pid38263]


I didn't register that report as portraying an accusation... but narrative's have momentum.

It should have been self-evident that Crimea's status was a central contention (how could it not?)

Knowing this surfaces an 'offer' which cannot pass muster...

They make it anyway... 

The inevitable "refusal" becomes media fodder.

Here we are.

I would like them to commit to a deal...

This was never so simple a case as "Russia gets Crimea and we have a deal"... so why pretend it is now?





I don't understand how the posturing and "showmanship" improves the bargaining.

[xuenchen]

All 'leaders' of nation states are controlled by higher forces. I know Trump is largely controlled by the oil company folks and also to a large degree Zionist and Israeli ties, for example; my question is, who is pulling Zelensky's strings? 
To me personally it smells like European version of MIC, the front-side being NATO, the back side being arms dealers as well as human and organ traffickers.

Good possibility, but what did the oil company folks do to force Trump to run for President in 2015? 
He wasn't "involved" before like Hillary was. What prevented them from selecting Hillary, who was always a true Puppet? 

[xuenchen]

I've said it before, I will say it again, "Everyone want the war to end except the NATO, Zelensky, and certain members of the US Congress."

I hope everyone can figure this out now.

Money Funnels!