Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[quintessentone]

If you mean by following an agenda that I have some personal plan that I am unfolding, then that is a negative, lol.

Of course not, MAGA just follows and does nothing else.

[sahgwa]

Of course not, MAGA just follows and does nothing else.

If you are implying that I have supported the MAGA movement with funds or a vote in this presidency then you are sadly mistaken.
There is such thing as an independent , that still has some alignment with some of the current POTUS aims, it's just 'following' logic , in most cases. 
Just because i am anti Zelensky and the EU does not ipso facto make me ']MAGA', but you are of course aware of logical fallacies.

And why waste time attacking the messenger?
You ignored my evidence for Zelenskys seediness in proffering these minerals to anyone who would listen. Very desperate. Not going to fund that gravy train with my tax anymore. .

You just provided a whataboutism with Putin and then called me a MAGA follower.  Very intelligent.

[quintessentone]

If you are implying that I have supported the MAGA movement with funds or a vote in this presidency then you are sadly mistaken.
There is such thing as an independent , that still has some alignment with some of the current POTUS aims, it's just 'following' logic , in most cases. 
Just because i am anti Zelensky and the EU does not ipso facto make me ']MAGA', but you are of course aware of logical fallacies.

And why waste time attacking the messenger?
You ignored my evidence for Zelenskys seediness in proffering these minerals to anyone who would listen. Very desperate. Not going to fund that gravy train with my tax anymore. .

You just provided a whataboutism with Putin and then called me a MAGA follower.  Very intelligent.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

[putnam6]

Did you hear that Zelensky already peddled this 'minerals deal' like a shabby itinerant salesmen to the UK weeks before asking Trump?  
It's almost like these minerals don't really exist in any proper usable fashion and he is all out of leverage to keep his gravy train going, while inconsiderately having his citizens slaughtered in his refusal for peace.
And if they do exist, how can you trust someone who peddles the same wares in the same fashion to two different groups in the same month-period?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-an...enerations

There is no doubt Ukraine is overselling the importance of the rare earth minerals 

#1 Some of that value was based on converting to Green Energy which will not be a priority for the Trump administration

#2 Without peace talks or a cease-fire nobody will be accessing the deposits in the east anytime soon and if they do it will be Russians, not Ukrainians 

There will be no new mines or infrastructure for Ukraine till there is a peace deal...
 

New mines need to be put into operationAccording to the International Energy Agency, a significant expansion in production is needed to meet projected demand for essential minerals by 2030. To meet global net-zero carbon emissions targets by 2030, an additional 50 lithium, 60 nickel and 17 cobalt mines will need to be brought into operation.

[Oldcarpy2]

Major difference being that Putin doesn't need any support militarily that I can see, for the continued existence of Russia.
Ukraine on the other hand is nothing without major outside support, and really is not acting like it wants peace. 
Like the nerd with a big jock friend behind him who suddenly leaves him squealing alone to the school bully.

"Doesn't need any support militarily"?

Russia has gone to NK and Iran for that.

Didn't you see that?

As for "school bully", that's Trump.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Some of that value was based on converting to Green Energy which will not be a priority for the Trump administration".

Might be for Musk and Tesla, though?

[sahgwa]

"Doesn't need any support militarily"?

Russia has gone to NK and Iran for that.

Didn't you see that?

As for "school bully", that's Trump.

If you call those sad North Koreans dying from drinking sanitizer and being tortured by drones with their Korean War era infantry tactics 'support' then okay i can agree, Russia has their support.
Honestly that in no way says Russia needs them. They are being sent as a gesture. 

Ukraine actually Needs support.

[Oldcarpy2]

NK ammunition?

Iranian drones? NK troops?

Russia doesn't need any of that?

Yes, of course Ukraine needs support.

Obviously.

As for "Korean War tactics", Russia is using WW1 tactics.

[putnam6]

Let's see what the EU and other countries will be spending Putin's $200 Billion frozen assets on before we jump to conclusions.

As for not providing sources, pot calling kettle black, hmm? I mean really, it's not like this is any form of a true debate.

Edit to add:

Well it appears Trump has made a deal with TSMC CEO (Taiwan semiconductor chip maker) so of course he does not need any lithium now - he never did - it was all a lie.

Piss off China much?

Debate? Im. just discussing the topic, and hoping to learn what scenarios are possible and to what degree they are likely to occur. I appreciate hearing your thoughts and opinions. 

If you want to debate we have a forum for that, 

But I am not trying to change anybody's mind here, hell It's almost the exact opposite Im saying here is what I am seeing, reading, and thinking what does Deny Ignorance think? Am I wrong?

Like a discussion, not a debate. 

FWIW, I usually provide quite a few links, all I was suggesting I wasn't familiar with the actual evidence for your assertions, and wanted to respond with an intelligent and well-thought-out answer. One can't trust to put in a few words in Google and pull up a concise unbiased opinion anymore.

As for the 200 BIllion in frozen assets here is what Grok suggests for continued discussion
 

Consider ongoing cases like Russia’s frozen reserves. By now, some countries might have moved toward using these assets (e.g., interest earned on them) to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction, as proposed in 2024 G7 talks. However, outright spending without repayment remains a legal gray area, often framed as “reparations” rather than theft to maintain legitimacy.

In short: Countries can’t just spend frozen assets like free money without legal grounding or international backing. When it happens, it’s usually structured as a loan, reparative measure, or conditional use—not a no-strings-attached windfall—and repayment depends on the resolution of the underlying conflict.

China will be fine, the American public and businesses are China's #1 super customer, they can squeal and will but they won't do jack squat about it. This is a continuation of the April deal proposed by Biden

The US needs homegrown computer chips for strategic purposes, so we aren't reliant on any country but ourselves. 

Again not sure where all your fear originates, this is how the real world operates

https://weartv.com/news/nation-world/pre...tment-plan
 

TSMC, the world’s biggest semiconductor manufacturer, produces chips for companies including Apple, Intel and Nvidia. The company had already announced plans to invest more than $65 billion in the U.S., including three plants in Arizona after the Biden administration offered billions in subsidies. Its first factory in Arizona has started mass production of its 4-nanometer chips.
Trump and TSMC’s chief executive officer C. C. Wei said the $100 billion is on top of the $65 billion that was already announced.
“This is a tremendous move by the most powerful company in the world," Trump said. “It's a matter of economic security.”

Trump announced last month that Apple would be investing a total of $350 billion in America and hire another 20,000 workers.

[sahgwa]

I am listening to Bill Murray on Rogan and it's really good.
I am always saying on this thread I am not partisan. I didn't vote from Trump , I don't support Ukraine or Russia. They should both just stop. Stop begging for money and avoiding peace talks. And stop pushing soldiers invading and taking territory. 
So I will offer this from the podcast paraphrasing which I like.
Politics is stupid and propaganda is stupid and tribal and we need to take a step back and just think about life, as a whole, not 'our side' our political crap.
If Hunter S Thompson can sit down calmly with Nixon and discuss football like friends, then we need to all learn distance.
The problem source is mainly the entrenched power sources that profit off the division, the corporations and the politicians.
In the USA we don't get any break. No break at all, every 2 years it's midterms, and then it's elections. And it's always squawking at you from the internet or radio or TV.
So perhaps we can all be cognizant of trying to take a step back and think about the universe and being human first and foremost. 
OK carry on.