Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Please, be serious?

The rest of the World is watching as the US is tearing itself apart and trying to take Europe with it.

Hilarious, ain't it?

Meanwhile, those chainsaw cuts in your military budgets, whilst most others are increasing theirs?

Being fearful all the time is no way to live  Respectfully FTN

Especially when you can't change what our respective governments are going to do one freaking iota. 

Humor beyond being my favorite coping skill, also deftly highlights how patently absurd all the hand-wringing and sobbing scary scenarios are 

Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that scaring the shit out of the GP is exactly what some governments want to do.

Hell, all governments do it sometimes, if for no other reason than a distraction from their other shenanigans.

If you aren't too frightened take a "serious" look at how governments use fear propaganda to control the general public. Or don't

In deference to you and others, however, I'll TRY and withdraw from posting here and just read, can I still post on ATS?

LOL oops sorry I mean "seriously" Maybe I don't possess the proper emotive anxiety levels as well as maturity to participate further.

I posted somewhere that my ex said my Chakras weren't aligned maybe thats it. 

Nevertheless, within 2 months, we will likely have a peace deal  



https://theconductsoflife.com/fear-propaganda/

Key Takeaways

• Fear is a powerful emotion that can be exploited for political and social control, often through fear propaganda tactics.
  

• Governments, organizations, and individuals have used fear propaganda throughout history to influence public opinion, drive agendas, and maintain power.
  

• Understanding the historical context and techniques of fear-mongering is essential to evaluate the information you encounter and guard against manipulation critically.
  

• Fear propaganda can have significant impacts on emotions, decisions, and society, leading to anxiety, division, manipulation of behavior, and suppression of dissent
  

Fear Propaganda World War IDuring World War I, governments on both sides employed fear tactics to garner support for the war effort.
They propagated narratives of enemy atrocities and painted vivid pictures of impending danger, promoting a sense of fear and urgency among the population.
The rise of totalitarian regimes in the 1930s, such as Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, saw mass hysteria reach unprecedented levels.
Adolf Hitler’s regime utilized fear to demonize and scapegoat certain groups, particularly Jews, sustaining an environment of fear and hatred.
Stalin employed similar tactics to suppress dissent and maintain control.
Psychological Manipulation of the Cold WarThe Cold War era witnessed intense fear propaganda on both sides of the conflict.
The United States employed tactics such as McCarthyism, exaggerating the threat of communist infiltration and sowing fear of domestic subversion.
The Soviet Union, in turn, used propaganda to instill fear of Western imperialism and capitalist decadence.
In recent decades, fear-mongering has continued to play a significant role.
The events surrounding the 9/11 attacks led to a climate of fear, with governments employing fear-based narratives to justify military interventions and encroachments on civil liberties.

[sahgwa]

"but they have been holding back their full power, as it's not total war. I think they are trying to exercise constraint. "

Like, what "full power"?

No air superiority, decimated and withdrawn Black Sea fleet?

So they are just throwing waves of men into a meat grinder because they don't have to because they could do better? But are holding back?

Wow.

Yes they are holding back the nuclear option. Thankfully.

[chr0naut]

Go Europe (not EU).

Who needs Trump's traitorous appeasement?

Interestingly, both Russia and the US lost in Afghanistan. In fact, both have a fairly woeful history of not unequivocally winning in conflicts. I mean Americans think they are 'all that', but in the cold hard light of history, LOL...

Perhaps Ukraine can dispense with the US funding and military support, since the US can't seem to 'climax when engaged'.

Also, since Trump isn't getting his rare earths deal, I wonder who will? All those Lithium batteries that the US will never be able to produce, and all that Tantalum for chips and that will never be able to be fabricated...

To me, it looks like in the PR, and advantages for the US stakes (because that clearly was Trump's strategy here), Trump has once again screwed-up.

Loser.

Also, during that meeting, did Zelensky ever say something to disrespect the US, its people, or its architecture and the principles for which they stand? Nope. Vance's diatribe was without basis and contrary to what Zelensky has said previously.

And all through it, Trump had this stupid look, essentially saying "'what he said..." and little else.

Losers.

Sadly, the US, which could have taken some enduring advantage out of the mediation, has totally lost because of these two clowns.

Good 'ol 'Krasnov' and his wife 'Red Bird' are earning their pay from the Kremlin.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that scaring the shit out of the GP is exactly what some governments want to do.

Hell, all governments do it sometimes, if for no other reason than a distraction from their other shenanigans.

I think there's worth to the show they all put on. It has a certain state-level decorum. With Trump that has spiraled down a drain of VERY PUBLIC chest-puffing. Of course there's a master/slave (control/fear) dynamic, it's a necessity of ALL large societies, but there is at least a respectfulness being lost here. And because of said slave morality it translates into his Zarathustrian village apes mimicking his level of class. And that becoming the bar set for everyone.

It's a new kind of state-level diplomacy. I'm accustomed to bureaucrats and beltway apologists towing the line in the spirit of Kissinger and peace summit-like decorum. They've taken that model and chased it into The Mason-Dixon Pawnshop.

He didn't do this to this extent last time. Not that I remember. He's definitely upped the ante with the use of his "trollitics."

The new politics of USA Geopolitics:

We'll troll our support for Russia with a newfound NATO iconoclasm that forces other countries to take the lead and assume we're not going to help anyone anymore.

And he'll be proven right. It is a win/win for him. He gets to insert a degree of isolationism for us and then point to them having to pick up the slack as proof the rest of the world really was using us to bear the financial brunt of their more immediate threat.

I just read Trump is lowering Mexico's tariff because they agreed to put one on China, and now he is leveraging that against Canada to follow suit.

I always look crazy after the dust he kicks up settles. I should stop helping him.

[UltraBudgie]

I just read Trump is lowering Mexico's tariff because they agreed to put one on China, and now he is leveraging that against Canada to follow suit.

I always look crazy after the dust he kicks up settles. I should stop helping him.

Where'd you see that? I'm seeing that they're still in place?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I think alternate reality now. I read the headline and first paragraphs too.

I honestly can't find it now. I swear it said he would agree to lower Mexico if they put a tariff on China to match ours. People gotta stop screwing with my timeline, because that's like the second time this week a news story evaporated away like that.

[pianopraze]

So, Trump is trying to start World War 3 if he doesn't get the Lithium to stabilize his psychosis?

:P

He’s trying to get us out of this morass Biden sunk us in. WW3 was all but kicked off already.

if you want to slam Trump I’ll join ya talking about 2A and red flag laws.

But… in this he’s got my support. Get us out of Ukrain, out of NATO, and cut all foreign aid and pull our troops home! We’re broke putting all that crap on credit. F that! Now is the time to balance our budget, cut government, and quit policing and funding the world. 

I know I’ll get hell from both sides for that, but I’m libertarian (small l), not maga. Think Ron Paul not Chase Oliver/official lp. I had thread about all that on ats. 

Anyways, I’ll take Trump calling that weasel dictator in Ukrain to the carpet over sending more money any day.

I think if he’s on any drug it’s some sort of upper, he works all the time.

ok flame away.

[chr0naut]

He’s trying to get us out of this morass Biden sunk us in. WW3 was all but kicked off already.

if you want to slam Trump I’ll join ya talking about 2A and red flag laws.

But… in this he’s got my support. Get us out of Ukrain, out of NATO, and cut all foreign aid and pull our troops home! We’re broke putting all that crap on credit. F that! Now is the time to balance our budget, cut government, and quit policing and funding the world. 

I know I’ll get hell from both sides for that, but I’m libertarian (small l), not maga. Think Ron Paul not Chase Oliver/official lp. I had thread about all that on ats. 

Anyways, I’ll take Trump calling that weasel dictator in Ukrain to the carpet over sending more money any day.

I think if he’s on any drug it’s some sort of upper, he works all the time.

ok flame away.

I thought Biden did OK at the recovery after Trump's first term.

Now the trade wars have begun, I think it is likely that the people of the US will realize that they hardly farm or manufacture anything, in comparison to their voracious preference for both the best and the cheapest of imports.

But everything from overseas in the US just got at least 25% more expensive. All with the flick of a pen.



Essentials like medicines in the US were the most expensive of any country in the world, and now, guess what?

[quintessentone]

Debate? Im. just discussing the topic, and hoping to learn what scenarios are possible and to what degree they are likely to occur. I appreciate hearing your thoughts and opinions. 

As I do appreciate learning your thoughts and opinions.

As for Grok:

In short: Countries can’t just spend frozen assets like free money without legal grounding or international backing. When it happens, it’s usually structured as a loan, reparative measure, or conditional use—not a no-strings-attached windfall—and repayment depends on the resolution of the underlying conflict.

Grok needs a reality wake up call in entering data from the pages of the Trump/Elon throw shit against a wall and see what sticks, regarding legal grounding. Trump is losing court cases BTW.
 

In the U.K., Prime Minister Keir Starmer confirmed that London is examining ways to deploy the funds, noting that while profits from Russian sovereign assets are already being used to support Ukraine, the fate of the principal remains complex.

Currently, only the interest generated by these funds is being used to back a $50 billion loan package for Ukraine, while the principal remains untouched.

https://kyivindependent.com/europes-majo...t-reports/

So, why does Grok not know that interest from frozen assets are fair game? Wait, is Grok MAGA?

[putnam6]

As I do appreciate learning your thoughts and opinions.

As for Grok:

Grok needs a reality wake up call in entering data from the pages of the Trump/Elon trow shit against a wall and see what sticks, regarding legal grounding. Trump is losing court cases BTW.
 

https://kyivindependent.com/europes-majo...t-reports/

So, why does Grok not know that interest from frozen assets are fair game? Wait, is Grok MAGA?

Mu goodness, you have MAGA on the brain early, good for you. Hope you are feeling better...

Can't win them all, but most of them are just TEMPORARY injunctions final rulings will be decided later. ie nothing but delaying tactics

Unfortunately, Im of the opinion that what is occurring domestically politically diplomatically internationally takes time patience, introspection, and discipline, examining it every day with a microscope is a fruitless endeavor, everything will fall into place in due time. Or it won't

Nothing politically, internationally, or diplomatically EVER happens overnight. Simply we must zoom out and look at the broader picture

One must remember we tried to build back better for 4 years, did it ever feel like it was better? and if it was better why didn't the builders win the election?

You can't refurbish an old 1970s home without gutting it first, getting rid of the old inefficient appliances, and checking the foundation and the roof. Removing almost everything even refurbishing a hardwood floor can take some elbow grease

and ALL while a place is being refurbished you can either live is the chaos of being rebuilt daily and constantly go WTF is happening or you can read the plans then occupy your time elsewhere wait and see how it looks in just 3 months 6 months and so on.

We have shifted dramatically on our Ukraine stance and our relationship with NATO, acceptance was never going to be measured in hours or days this takes weeks or months to bear fruit. 

Thats the best rationalization I can come up with at 5 in the morning sans coffee.