Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[quintessentone]

Ive been watching this map since day one every 2-3 days and unless Ukraine can be more offensive and get bluer on the map it's a lost cause Russia is solidifying its defenses, which means it will take more than a few hand grenade drome attacks to dislodge them. They have brilliantly and bravely fought to a stalemate with a top 5 world power, but without real NATO troops and other capabilities, they have little chance of moving the front lines back into Russia.

Right now we have Ukraine drone defenses and 2 French Mirage jets patrolling the Black Sea, they will need a much more vigorous offensive to dislodge Russia.

They have no military plan or timeline to do so, only an insatiable need for more weapons, ammunition, shells, missiles, and cash.

Hell, the North Vietnamese had settled into planned guerilla warfare tactics by year 3 and it was already obvious the US would play hell trying to dislodge them. Ukraine is years away from being able to remove Russia from the Ukrainian sliver of land, the blowup at the Oval Office didn't help. We can pretend Zelenskky was justified if one wants to, but it likely emboldens Russia to dig in wait, while Ukraine whithers away.

Whatever damage the Russians are receiving it's still not enough to change the tide or even strengthen Ukraine's position for negotiations. That will take attacks on a well-entrenched Russian army. 

Zelensky might have blown any chance for a ceasefire and peace talks when even a week's pause would have likely been more beneficial to Ukraine than Russia

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Let's see what the EU and other countries will be spending Putin's $200 Billion frozen assets on before we jump to conclusions.

As for not providing sources, pot calling kettle black, hmm? I mean really, it's not like this is any form of a true debate.

Edit to add:

Well it appears Trump has made a deal with TSMC CEO (Taiwan semiconductor chip maker) so of course he does not need any lithium now - he never did - it was all a lie.

Piss off China much?

[sahgwa]

You are misunderstanding I think the war will continue for now, Trump isn't interested in the minerals deal anymore 

Supposedly all told they are worth 300-350 billion but it will cost loads, to build the infrastructure to mine them years 8-10.

This was just a vehicle for the US to recoup some of the money being spent. Without that, it's up to the EU to make the deal with limited involvement from Trump. More than likely he will hand it off to Rubio if the US is involved at all. Trumps has other business to attend too. 

Pretty sure using frozen Russian assets to finance going forward isn't going entice the Russians to talk anyway

Did you hear that Zelensky already peddled this 'minerals deal' like a shabby itinerant salesmen to the UK weeks before asking Trump?  
It's almost like these minerals don't really exist in any proper usable fashion and he is all out of leverage to keep his gravy train going, while inconsiderately having his citizens slaughtered in his refusal for peace.
And if they do exist, how can you trust someone who peddles the same wares in the same fashion to two different groups in the same month-period?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-an...enerations

[quintessentone]

Did you hear that Zelensky already peddled this 'minerals deal' like a shabby itinerant salesmen to the UK weeks before asking Trump?  
It's almost like these minerals don't really exist in any proper usable fashion and he is all out of leverage to keep his gravy train going, while inconsiderately having his citizens slaughtered in his refusal for peace.
And if they do exist, how can you trust someone who peddles the same wares in the same fashion to two different groups in the same month-period?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-an...enerations

Switch the name Zelenskyy for Putin then it also rings true.

[sahgwa]

Switch the name Zelenskyy for Putin then it also rings true.

Major difference being that Putin doesn't need any support militarily that I can see, for the continued existence of Russia.
Ukraine on the other hand is nothing without major outside support, and really is not acting like it wants peace. 
Like the nerd with a big jock friend behind him who suddenly leaves him squealing alone to the school bully.

[quintessentone]

Major difference being that Putin doesn't need any support militarily that I can see, for the continued existence of Russia.
Ukraine on the other hand is nothing without major outside support, and really is not acting like it wants peace. 
Like the nerd with a big jock friend behind him who suddenly leaves him squealing alone to the school bully.

Well, it's obvious you are following some agenda/narrative, so good luck with that.

[sahgwa]

Well, it's obvious you are following some agenda/narrative, so good luck with that.

If you mean by following an agenda that I have some personal plan that I am unfolding, then that is a negative, lol.

[quintessentone]

If you mean by following an agenda that I have some personal plan that I am unfolding, then that is a negative, lol.

Of course not, MAGA just follows and does nothing else.

[sahgwa]

Of course not, MAGA just follows and does nothing else.

If you are implying that I have supported the MAGA movement with funds or a vote in this presidency then you are sadly mistaken.
There is such thing as an independent , that still has some alignment with some of the current POTUS aims, it's just 'following' logic , in most cases. 
Just because i am anti Zelensky and the EU does not ipso facto make me ']MAGA', but you are of course aware of logical fallacies.

And why waste time attacking the messenger?
You ignored my evidence for Zelenskys seediness in proffering these minerals to anyone who would listen. Very desperate. Not going to fund that gravy train with my tax anymore. .

You just provided a whataboutism with Putin and then called me a MAGA follower.  Very intelligent.

[quintessentone]

If you are implying that I have supported the MAGA movement with funds or a vote in this presidency then you are sadly mistaken.
There is such thing as an independent , that still has some alignment with some of the current POTUS aims, it's just 'following' logic , in most cases. 
Just because i am anti Zelensky and the EU does not ipso facto make me ']MAGA', but you are of course aware of logical fallacies.

And why waste time attacking the messenger?
You ignored my evidence for Zelenskys seediness in proffering these minerals to anyone who would listen. Very desperate. Not going to fund that gravy train with my tax anymore. .

You just provided a whataboutism with Putin and then called me a MAGA follower.  Very intelligent.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

[putnam6]

Did you hear that Zelensky already peddled this 'minerals deal' like a shabby itinerant salesmen to the UK weeks before asking Trump?  
It's almost like these minerals don't really exist in any proper usable fashion and he is all out of leverage to keep his gravy train going, while inconsiderately having his citizens slaughtered in his refusal for peace.
And if they do exist, how can you trust someone who peddles the same wares in the same fashion to two different groups in the same month-period?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-an...enerations

There is no doubt Ukraine is overselling the importance of the rare earth minerals 

#1 Some of that value was based on converting to Green Energy which will not be a priority for the Trump administration

#2 Without peace talks or a cease-fire nobody will be accessing the deposits in the east anytime soon and if they do it will be Russians, not Ukrainians 

There will be no new mines or infrastructure for Ukraine till there is a peace deal...
 

New mines need to be put into operationAccording to the International Energy Agency, a significant expansion in production is needed to meet projected demand for essential minerals by 2030. To meet global net-zero carbon emissions targets by 2030, an additional 50 lithium, 60 nickel and 17 cobalt mines will need to be brought into operation.