Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

This appears to refer to only a ceasefire and Putin may agree, so as to gain time and more military resources to strike again, soon. Putin will only engage transactionally when it benefits him.

I don't see that Trump will revisit this rare minerals deal because it's clear if he did that negotiating peace after the fact with Putin won't get anywhere because Putin won't make any concessions and since Putin has shown numerous times he reneges on agreements, security measures will be a must.

From your link:
 

Zelenskyy says "if Russia will do the same", see how those few words give us a big clue? Trump will need to convince Putin to make concessions, do you really think that will happen? That is why Trump is making Zelenskyy the fall guy in all of this and treats Putin with kid gloves.

The EU and Ukraine are meeting once more this Thursday, let's see where they go from there... a lot can happen between now and then.

I would have added that all abducted children are to be returned immediately to Ukrainian officials.

Im just glad it seems they may have have started the peace process, I have no expectations these things take time, we are a Veruka Salt society. We want it now, right now and if we don't get it well it's the wrong thing to do. 

4 days ago people were all for Zelensky, well it's Tuesday and Zelensky has weighed his choices, and now he is groveling a bit 

As much as I want peace, and I do,  I can see a possibility Trump will tell him to go whistle. 

Just as Trump said on Friday Zelensky has no cards here, he can request all he wants and it may just be a stalling tactic. But I already heard 5 EU countries will NOT send troops

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[putnam6]

 

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський

@ZelenskyyUa


I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace. None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal. We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this. Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive. Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.

[quintessentone]

Im just glad it seems they may have have started the peace process, I have no expectations these things take time, we are a Veruka Salt society. We want it now, right now and if we don't get it well it's the wrong thing to do. 

4 days ago people were all for Zelensky, well it's Tuesday and Zelensky has weighed his choices, and now he is groveling a bit 

As much as I want peace, and I do,  I can see a possibility Trump will tell him to go whistle. 

Just as Trump said on Friday Zelensky has no cards here, he can request all he wants and it may just be a stalling tactic. But I already heard 5 EU countries will NOT send troops

ITALY
GERMANY 
POLAND 
HUNGARY
SLOVAKIA

Turkiye seems to be ready to send troops and they are formidable.

If you read what Zelensky is saying, he is still asking for Putin to make concessions. How do you think that will go?

[sahgwa]

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський

@ZelenskyyUa


I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace. None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal. We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this. Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive. Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.

Somebody spanked him hard.

[sahgwa]

Turkiye seems to be ready to send troops and they are formidable.

If you read what Zelensky is saying, he is still asking for Putin to make concessions. How do you think that will go?

I don't think there will be any concessions by Russia unless you count agreeing to a ceasefire.

[quintessentone]

I don't think there will be any concessions by Russia unless you count agreeing to a ceasefire.

Then it is Russia who does not want peace.

[Oldcarpy2]

Vance has massively insulted troops from "random countries" ie the UK.

The US Vice President Vance insuted British troops when he dismissed the UK as "some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 years".

Some 630 British soldiers died fighting alongside the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even Prince Harry fought in Afghanistan.

Disrespecting the men and women who fought alongside Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq and who died or were horribly injured.

Talk about disrespectful and ungrateful!

What a hateful PoS.

The man's a maggot.

[putnam6]

Turkiye seems to be ready to send troops and they are formidable.

If you read what Zelensky is saying, he is still asking for Putin to make concessions. How do you think that will go?

From his statement 

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. 

This will happen in stages, I'd imagine Putin will want to make Zelensky squirm a bit if not a lot probably with Trump's blessing. 

Im not sure which of the proposals  Putin values most, word has it Zelensky wants a truce in the sky and at sea, supposedly a ship carrying weapons attacked in the Black Sea that had to hurt, along with Trump stopping aid. 

First Im watching what the Russians do militarily do they fortify their positions or do they try and grab more territory? to give back later is a possibility. maybe starting with prisoner release and banning bombs on energy and civilian structures 

FWIW This might be a delaying tactic for Ukraine till they can negotiate from a stronger position, but I expect a spasm of engagements before we even get to the talks. 

 

Russian missiles 'sink cargo ship carrying UK weapons for Ukraine'
2 days agoPutin unleashes Iskander-M missile attack to 'sink container ship in Odesa carrying cargo of British weapons for Ukraine' By TOM MIDLANE

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48268

Combat along the Russo-Ukraine War’s 1,000+ kilometer (621+ mile) contact line on Tuesday saw intense fighting in sectors recently captured by Ukrainian assault troops, with Kyiv’s forces mostly holding their positions and claiming big casualties among attacking Russian troops, but Kremlin forces scoring gains in some locations.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Vance has massively insulted troops from "random countries" ie the UK.

The US Vice President Vance insuted British troops when he dismissed the UK as "some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 years".

Some 630 British soldiers died fighting alongside the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even Prince Harry fought in Afghanistan.

Disrespecting the men and women who fought alongside Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq and who died or were horribly injured.

Talk about disrespectful and ungrateful!

What a hateful PoS.

The man's a maggot.

He knows not what he does or something. I think that works.

He's copying the new guru of what is acceptable state level behavior towards anything not us.

Remember, in the new America the rule of thumb for the New GOP is "What Would Donald Do? WWDD! What does Trump make acceptable decorum for other state level politicians? How do I act like him? How do I please him most?

Vance was bought in to be a brainless extention of the autocrat king. He was chosen for being the opposite of Mike Pence integrity-wise. He needs outspoken flipflopping populists like himself.

That way, they have all the appearance of integrity and directness, without actually having to be or do either.

[sahgwa]

Then it is Russia who does not want peace.

I think they do, if only because they are bleeding their population dry just as much as Ukraine, not to mention the sanctions have to hurt, if only eventually.

You have to look at it from a Russian point of view, that the disputed oblasts in the East, were shelled by Kiev and Russian was outlawed to be spoken, and local Russian speakers were beat up before any invasion by Russia began.  They held referendums and voted to be part of Russia, after all the abuse.
This was essentially a civil war that in Russia's eyes, they were protecting ethnic Russians. 
I am sure they see it like the Germans saw Strasbourg, they were liberating local German speakers who were being 'put down' by the French in the 40s. Same story in Silesia vs Poland and Bohemia vs Czechs. Is it correct? They probably think so.   

So I am sure that in their eyes, Ukraine's actions gave away those territories long ago, so no need for territorial concession. 

Just playing devils advocate.