Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[FlyersFan]

What about quotes from ordinary Ukrainians?

What about them?

Their government is still corrupt.
Their war is unending and costing us billions.
They are running out of soldiers and need everyone elses to continue.
AND ... their leader Zelenskyy screwed up.   That's the truth of it.
Those people suffering because Russia invaded and Putin sucks doesn't change any of that.

I don't like Trump.  He's a bloviating grifter.
But that doesn't change the fact that what happened yesterday was Zelenskyys fault.
HE was the one who was rude.
HE was the one who made an agreement then tried to change it in the middle of the press.
HE was the one who insulted the Vice President.

If EUROPE and UK want to continue throwing billions at Ukraine ... go right ahead.
If EUROPE and UK want to send their troops because Ukraine is out ... go right ahead.

WE ARE DONE.
Russia sucks.  Putin sucks.  But they won.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Activist journalism"?

Like using direct quotes?!!!!

The BBC, contrary to some, makes every effort to verify it's reporting and does so very openly.

BBC Verify:

BBC News - Explaining the 'how' - the launch of BBC Verify
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65650822

[FlyersFan]

I think that you and I have different definitions of "rude"....

Engaging in negotiations, coming to an agreement, then sitting in front of the world press and breaking that agreement while insulting the Vice President whom you just made the agreement with ..... that is RUDE.   Trump calling Zellensky out on him breaking the agreement and insulting the Vice President isn't 'rude'.

Yeah ... we have different definitions.

Like I said ... I can't stand Trump.   Bloviating grifter.
But in this case, he is right.  
And Zellenskyy was rude and was the amature trying to pull a fast one.
But Trump isn't Biden .. so that flag didn't fly.

[Oldcarpy2]

"If EUROPE and UK want to send their troops because Ukraine is out ... go right ahead."

Oh come off it. No one is proposing to send our troops to fight.

Only as peacekeepers in the event of a peace deal being reached.

You must know this?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Yeah, I disagree, I appreciate their passion, IP knows their stuff, even if we think differently on some points on the Oval Office meeting. 

The main point it didn't help the situation and in reality likely helped Putin. Again he didn't like the minerals deal because it would have interjected American interests directly in the sliver of land he is trying to pound into the mud.

Why thank you. But they are right about the whole "in love with my neurosis" thing, at least to the degree it serves rhetorical use in a thread. Like going back 8 pages to find the last time your comment was thread relevant. I do project a deep love of whatever myself is.

And maybe not you personally, but I remember 4 solid years of quotes and fearful pleas along the lines of:

"I can't believe people actual voted for these [expletives]!"
"Clown World!"
"I can't believe THEY represent our country!"
"Our country is gone!"
"blah blah Marxists blah."
"Demonic pedo groomers."

Luckily, the Gods of politics love circular irony.

And pendulums really do look the same forward and backward.

[FlyersFan]

"Activist journalism"?

BBC uses loaded language and is just as biased as the rest of them.

BBC, Sky News, CBC, CTV, PressTV, AL Jazeera, La Republicca, etc etc etc ...
just as biased and loaded language as American outlets - FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, etc

[Oldcarpy2]

Engaging in negotiations, coming to an agreement, then sitting in front of the world press and breaking that agreement while insulting the Vice President whom you just made the agreement with ..... that is RUDE.   Trump calling Zellensky out on him breaking the agreement and insulting the Vice President isn't 'rude'.

Yeah ... we have different definitions.

Like I said ... I can't stand Trump.   Bloviating grifter.
But in this case, he is right.  
And Zellenskyy was rude and was the amature trying to pull a fast one.
But Trump isn't Biden .. so that flag didn't fly.

How did he break any agreement?

He has consistently wanted security guarantees.

As for being rude, falsely accusing Zelensky of being a dictator with a 4% approval rating probably qualifies as such.

When the US run by the leader of the Free World votes at the UN votes with the likes of Russia, Iran and NK, do you not think that to be a tad disturbing?

[FlyersFan]

Oh come off it. No one is proposing to send our troops to fight.

Only as peacekeepers in the event of a peace deal being reached.

YOU come off it.   You know that 'peacekeepers' end up engaging, especially when the host country has run out of troops and the only thing standing between the host country (Ukraine) and the invading country (Russia) are the 'peacekeepers'.

[Oldcarpy2]

They haven't run out of troops.

If they had, Russia would be in Kiev.

How would a peace agreement with Putin work by just trusting him to keep his word?

His record on that ain't too good.

Again, the peacekeepers are not going to be US ones, so if the UK and others are willing to send their troops, why do you have a problem with that?

[FlyersFan]

How did he break any agreement?

He has vonsistly wanted security guarantees.

As for being rude, falsely accusing Zelensky of being a dictator with a 4% approval rating probably qualifies as such.

There was an agreement made in private.   When they got in public and in front of the cameras, Zelenskyy said that Russia can't be trusted, and that additional security guarantees must be made.  This broke the agreement that was made in private that included that there would be no additional security guarantees.  He was demanding extra on top of what was agreed upon.  This broke the agreement.

Him constantly wanting security guarantees is irrelevant.  He agreed to no security guarantees and then, with the world cameras on him, he demanded additional security guarantees and said he couldn't enter into an agreement for peace with Russia and he insulted the Vice President whom he just negotiated with.

As for the Trump dictator comment ... yeah that was rude, and was more than rude.  It was stupid and it was dangerous.   It is also IRRELEVANT in regards to what happened yesterday.   Trump being rude and stupid making that comment a few weeks ago has NOTHING to do with Zelenskyy being rude and stupid at the White House yesterday in insulting the Vice President and breaking the Rare Earth Minerals Agreement on live TV with the world press reporting.