Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[FlyersFan]

"Activist journalism"?

BBC uses loaded language and is just as biased as the rest of them.

BBC, Sky News, CBC, CTV, PressTV, AL Jazeera, La Republicca, etc etc etc ...
just as biased and loaded language as American outlets - FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, etc

[Oldcarpy2]

Engaging in negotiations, coming to an agreement, then sitting in front of the world press and breaking that agreement while insulting the Vice President whom you just made the agreement with ..... that is RUDE.   Trump calling Zellensky out on him breaking the agreement and insulting the Vice President isn't 'rude'.

Yeah ... we have different definitions.

Like I said ... I can't stand Trump.   Bloviating grifter.
But in this case, he is right.  
And Zellenskyy was rude and was the amature trying to pull a fast one.
But Trump isn't Biden .. so that flag didn't fly.

How did he break any agreement?

He has consistently wanted security guarantees.

As for being rude, falsely accusing Zelensky of being a dictator with a 4% approval rating probably qualifies as such.

When the US run by the leader of the Free World votes at the UN votes with the likes of Russia, Iran and NK, do you not think that to be a tad disturbing?

[FlyersFan]

Oh come off it. No one is proposing to send our troops to fight.

Only as peacekeepers in the event of a peace deal being reached.

YOU come off it.   You know that 'peacekeepers' end up engaging, especially when the host country has run out of troops and the only thing standing between the host country (Ukraine) and the invading country (Russia) are the 'peacekeepers'.

[Oldcarpy2]

They haven't run out of troops.

If they had, Russia would be in Kiev.

How would a peace agreement with Putin work by just trusting him to keep his word?

His record on that ain't too good.

Again, the peacekeepers are not going to be US ones, so if the UK and others are willing to send their troops, why do you have a problem with that?

[FlyersFan]

How did he break any agreement?

He has vonsistly wanted security guarantees.

As for being rude, falsely accusing Zelensky of being a dictator with a 4% approval rating probably qualifies as such.

There was an agreement made in private.   When they got in public and in front of the cameras, Zelenskyy said that Russia can't be trusted, and that additional security guarantees must be made.  This broke the agreement that was made in private that included that there would be no additional security guarantees.  He was demanding extra on top of what was agreed upon.  This broke the agreement.

Him constantly wanting security guarantees is irrelevant.  He agreed to no security guarantees and then, with the world cameras on him, he demanded additional security guarantees and said he couldn't enter into an agreement for peace with Russia and he insulted the Vice President whom he just negotiated with.

As for the Trump dictator comment ... yeah that was rude, and was more than rude.  It was stupid and it was dangerous.   It is also IRRELEVANT in regards to what happened yesterday.   Trump being rude and stupid making that comment a few weeks ago has NOTHING to do with Zelenskyy being rude and stupid at the White House yesterday in insulting the Vice President and breaking the Rare Earth Minerals Agreement on live TV with the world press reporting.

[Oldcarpy2]

Do you have a source for there being an agreement?

Was it mentioned in that "show"?

[FlyersFan]

They haven't run out of troops.

If they had, Russia would be in Kiev.

How would a peace agreement with Putin work by just trusting him to keep his word?

His record on that ain't too good.

1 - I said they are running out of troops .. and they are.  Their country is just so big.   They have just so many people.  And they have been fighting 3 years with big casualties.  They can't keep it up.  But Russia can.  They have  more people and they have more 'help' from their minion nations like North Korea.

2 - Putin is a monster and can't be trusted.  How a peace agreement with Putin works is for negotiations in private.   What happened yesterday was about an agreement for fine earth minerals.   The agreement was reached and it was agreed that there were no extra security measures as part of that agreement.   Then Zelenskyy tried to pull a fast one in front of the world press and demanded extra security measures for the fine earth minerals agreement, thus he broke the agreement that was made in private.   Zelenskyy tried to play fast and loose ... and lost.

[quintessentone]

How did he break any agreement?

He has consistently wanted security guarantees.

As for being rude, falsely accusing Zelensky of being a dictator with a 4% approval rating probably qualifies as such.

When the US run by the leader of the Free World votes at the UN votes with the likes of Russia, Iran and NK, do you not think that to be a tad disturbing?

Zelensky was ambushed with Trump's and Vance's bad attitudes that Zelensky would not kiss the gangsta ring. How rude of the insolent pig (Russia's government official's words).

[FlyersFan]

Do you have a source for there being an agreement?

Was it mentioned in that "show"?

Yeah ... every news outlet in the world is a source.  Everyone reported it.

The whole point of them coming before the cameras was to say that they had an agreement.
If there was no agreement, then the White House wouldn't have announced the agreement and
they wouldn't have been sitting there on the couch with all the big players sitting around them 
and the news cameras being there ... the whole point was to say that they had reached an agreement.

[Oldcarpy2]

"YOU come off it. You know that 'peacekeepers' end up engaging, especially when the host country has run out of troops and the only thing standing between the host country (Ukraine) and the invading country (Russia) are the 'peacekeepers'."

No, you said "has".