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Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war
(03-01-2025, 10:46 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Yeah .. he did.   
On the TV news he said he wanted 'peacekeepers'. 
That's boots on the ground.
And our people aren't going in.  
That's the bottom line.

He didn't mention or demand "US boots".

The UK and some European countries have offered their boots.
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(03-01-2025, 10:52 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: He didn't mention or demand "US boots".

The UK and some European countries have offered their boots.

Maybe everyone should rethink sharing Ukraine's resources with France, Turkiye and perhaps others that are willing to put boots on the ground as peace keepers. But how to kick Putin out of Ukraine's occupied territories? Any ideas?
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(03-01-2025, 10:48 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: BBC News - 'Trump and Vance were so rude': Ukrainians react to disastrous meeting
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgr2g4n4wvdo

BBC .. yeah .. there's some unbiased reporting ... sure ... pffft.

Honestly don't give a rats backend what BBC opinion pieces say.  
It's all left wing opinion and social engineering.  That's what the 'free' press is.

Ukrainians are reacting as predicted.  They are used to getting free money and free security from America and Europe.  When America says we aren't supporting that anymore, they get upset.  The gravy train has ended.  They don't like it.

Trump and Vance were not rude.   Zelenskyy was.   And he fucked up.   The agreement was done in private and was all set, and then in front of the cameras he insults the Vice President and he tries to insert 'security agreements' into the agreement knowing that America would reject it.  He tried to pull a fast one and use pressure from the press to get what he wants.   But Trump isn't a Biden pushover.   Zelenskyy got what he deserved.

And again ... no ... I"m not MAGA nor am I a Trump fan.
So I'm not speaking from some partisan tomfoolery loyalty to Trump.
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(03-01-2025, 10:12 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "Billions unaccounted for and wasted.
Billions accounted for and wasted.
Never ending war that can't be won.".

Did you read what Kellogg said about this?

Please see above.

He disagrees with this.

Errr just because a person has a point one agrees with doesn't mean you agree with every opinion a person may have. 

Bottom line America said enough after we saw how little Americans were assisted in the Maui fires and the Helene aftermath. It's not just military AID either we are paying certain Ukrainians salaries and Social Security. 

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Sep 25, 2023U.S. taxpayers will pay the salaries of thousands of Ukrainians, even as the country faces a government shutdown at the end of September. The U.S. has delivered four rounds of funding, totaling ...
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(03-01-2025, 10:52 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: He didn't mention or demand "US boots".

The UK and some European countries have offered their boots.

He said peacekeepers and security.
That's what boots on the ground is.
So yeah ... he did say it ...
It was reported on tv many times.
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"Honestly don't give a rats backend what BBC opinion pieces say.
It's all left wing opinion and social engineering. That's what the 'free' press is."

An opinion piece?

It has direct quotes from Ukrainian opposition MPs and even from Poroschenco
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(03-01-2025, 10:56 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Maybe everyone should rethink sharing Ukraine's resources with France, Turkiye and perhaps others that are willing to put boots on the ground as peace keepers. But how to kick Putin out of Ukraine's occupied territories? Any ideas?

Yeah .. go ahead and have Turkey and Erdogan running around Ukraine.  Erdogan .. who wants an expanding Islamic Caliphate in the world with himself at the helm ... and who wants to slaughter all jews everywhere.  Geee ... what could go wrong with that?   Anyone thinking this is good lives in clown world.

And as far as how to kick Putin out of Ukraine ... what YOU are calling for is an unending proxy war ... go ahead and fund it forever, and go ahead and send your Canadian troops forever.   You want it.   Go ahead.   Putin won't leave.  The only way to kick him out is to end the 'proxy' war and go full blown World War III.

Educate yourself.
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"He said peacekeepers and security.
That's what boots on the ground is.
So yeah ... he did say it ...
It was reported on tv many times.".

Not US boots.
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(03-01-2025, 11:01 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: An opinion piece?

It has direct quotes from Ukrainian opposition MPs and even from Poroschenco

Opinion piece.
They are Ukrainian and they aren't going to admit that their fellow Ukrainian screwed up.
They are ticked that their gravy train is coming to an end.
Zelenskyy tried to pull a fast one, and he failed.
Amature hour.
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(03-01-2025, 11:03 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "He said peacekeepers and security.
That's what boots on the ground is.
So yeah ... he did say it ...
It was reported on tv many times.".

Not US boots.

When he demands security from the United States, he IS demanding US boots on the ground.
That's what security and peacekeepers from the United States would be.
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