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I do think America being dragged into another middle eastern war without congress voting on it was a mistake, especially after Trumps claims to voters that he'd take America out of the middle east, but I will say Israel attacking Iran has put America in a difficult position and left it with little choice.
This will cause repercussions world wide even if Iran outwardly plays down the attack, as we all know this will embolden it to provide more assets to it's proxies. Dmitry Medvedev has already said several countries were prepared to supply Tehran with nuclear weapons. He didn't specify which, but said the US attack caused minimal damage and would not stop Tehran from pursuing nuclear weapons.
https://www.euronews.com/2025/06/22/russ...-to-moscow
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There were 125 aircraft involved, with 75 PGMs and 14 GBU-57s used. There wasn’t a single shot fired at the strike package.
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(06-22-2025, 08:36 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Come CS this is entry level global war power dynamics shit..
North Korea and Pakistan haven't been calling Death to America " and " Death to Israel,while firing 600 missiles at the latter
North Korea occasionally fires a test missile that mostly fails
Pakistan can't handle India, and rarely gets pissy with America, they let Special Forces take out OBL with a little fuss
Israel and Iran have been trading blows for some time. Israel has done car bombs in Iran to hit nuclear scientists for decades. It's not like this happened out of no where. I'm not sure if the chicken or egg came first.
North Korea also has strong propaganda depicting war on the US.
That said, by your logic on Pakistan, we shouldn't have needed to get in a fight with Iran. If Iran can't handle Israel, why did we need to get involved?
If this was any other president, the masses would be furious, and rightfully so. If we asked Americans a few months ago if they thought we should bomb Iran, I'm confident it would be a resounding no. I still think most would say no, but the only holdout is neocons and people who will support Trump no matter what he does.
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(06-22-2025, 08:52 AM)putnam6 Wrote: MTG Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson? Who cares...tempest in a tea cup
Let's not pretend ANY of their flock would gravitate to the Democrats #1 and only one actually has a vote on any legislation, and she isn't exactly a consensus maker.
The other two make a living on views and clicks FFS
A lot of people seem to care, it's just that those above voicing their dissent are the loudest.
Again, Trump was supposed to keep America out of wars, not take them in, which is why they would seem to care.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(06-22-2025, 08:51 AM)SurferSoul Wrote: But a perfect excuse to transition to “green” tech further. Bombs help reduce carbon emissions and also get rid of people causing them. Let’s have more bombs!!
Come on, the idea that nuclear war is "green" is dangerously absurd.
Suggesting bombs as a climate fix is not only morally reprehensible but scientifically and strategically catastrophic.
There's nothing "green" about global annihilation.
And while a full-blown nuclear exchange might reduce emissions temporarily(by collapsing economies and killing millions i may add), it would also likely trigger nuclear winter.
Destroying agriculture and causing mass famine worldwide.
Radioactive fallout would poison our ecosystems for decades to come.
The environmental devastation would far outweigh any short-term drop in carbon output.
Real climate solutions involve renewable energy, efficiency, and policy, not mass death.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(06-22-2025, 08:36 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Come CS this is entry level global war power dynamics shit..
North Korea and Pakistan haven't been calling Death to America " and " Death to Israel,while firing 600 missiles at the latter
North Korea occasionally fires a test missile that mostly fails
Pakistan can't handle India, and rarely gets pissy with America, they let Special Forces take out OBL with a little fuss
Yeah sure, Pakistan let special forces take out OBL, that’s a good one.
North Korea is really chums with America, it’s Iran that is the thorn in Americas side all these years, with their potato weapons and all the bloodshed they have done to Americans in er, well whatever.
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(06-22-2025, 08:55 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Israel and Iran have been trading blows for some time. Israel has done car bombs in Iran to hit nuclear scientists for decades. It's not like this happened out of no where. I'm not sure if the chicken or egg came first.
North Korea also has strong propaganda depicting war on the US.
That said, by your logic on Pakistan, we shouldn't have needed to get in a fight with Iran. If Iran can't handle Israel, why did we need to get involved?
If this was any other president, the masses would be furious, and rightfully so. If we asked Americans a few months ago if they thought we should bomb Iran, I'm confident it would be a resounding no. I still think most would say no, but the only holdout is neocons and people who will support Trump no matter what he does.
Depends on whether one believes Iran with nuclear weapons was an imminent threat or not.
That's the only logic that matters
Do I know for sure? No, I do not
But for the administration to act with such surety, knowing the negative fallout domestically and internationally, and still go forward.
Shows they believed the percentages supported thier conclusions.
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But change is
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(06-22-2025, 09:02 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Come on, the idea that nuclear war is "green" is dangerously absurd.
Suggesting bombs as a climate fix is not only morally reprehensible but scientifically and strategically catastrophic. lol you really don’t understand sarcasm do you?
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06-22-2025, 09:06 AM
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(06-22-2025, 08:39 AM)putnam6 Wrote: LOL Vance channeling John Lennon.
EricLDaugh
HOLY CRAP! JD Vance just DROPPED THE MIC on the Iranians... "The Iranians are clearly not very good at war. Perhaps they should follow President Trump's lead and give peace a chance."
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https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1936777343491854409
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JD has joined the league of warmongers... however, he may be right. (The Iranians are clearly not very good at war.)
Lindsey Graham finally has a buddy at the hawk table.
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(06-22-2025, 09:04 AM)SurferSoul Wrote: lol you really don’t understand sarcasm do you?
LoL
Thank Christ for that.
It's easily missed sometimes.
But i do apologise.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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