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(06-22-2025, 09:02 AM)SurferSoul Wrote: Yeah sure, Pakistan let special forces take out OBL, that’s a good one.
North Korea is really chums with America, it’s Iran that is the thorn in Americas side all these years, with their potato weapons and all the bloodshed they have done to Americans in er, well whatever.
I said with little fuss... what did Pakistan do afterwards
They sent a stern letter and didn't do BUPKISS
FFS
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(06-22-2025, 09:04 AM)putnam6 Wrote: But for the administration to act with such surety, knowing the negative fallout domestically and internationally, and still go forward.
Shows they believed the percentages supported thier conclusions.
I'm sure every admin said that for all the pointless wars after WWII.
Yet, most of them were wrong.
Edit: I'd like to add that at least Bush went to congress before Iraq. Just goes to show how much executive power Trump has been consolidating, and testing.
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(06-22-2025, 09:10 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I'm sure every admin said that for all the pointless wars after WWII.
Yet, most of them were wrong.
Now you are just generalizing, which is fine...
The WMD bullshit was my wake-up call, that was manipulated and set up by Cheney and the RINOs because at that time they need an excuse to go full bore into IRAQ,
YES OR NO
There is no impetus for America to go full bore in IRAN or anywhere else. AMERICA tried to negotiate a settlement for 60 days before Israel started hitting Iran hard
When did America try and negotiate peace during the WMD era with Saddam?
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By the looks of it Trump's now screaming for peace and a return to negotiations......................After blowing them the hell up???!!!
I dont think that's how it works.
Just flip it the other way around.
How would the American people react to Iran bombing 3 nuclear sites in the USA?
This is clownshoes.
And just to add, I'm glad the Iranians dont have, or will be able to attain the capability, to produce the likes of nuclear bombs.
But at what cost???
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(06-22-2025, 09:22 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Now you are just generalizing, which is fine...
The WMD bullshit was my wake-up call, that was manipulated and set up by Cheney and the RINOs because at that time they need an excuse to go full bore into IRAQ,
YES OR NO
There is no impetus for America to go full bore in IRAN or anywhere else. AMERICA tried to negotiate a settlement for 60 days before Israel started hitting Iran hard
When did America try and negotiate peace during the WMD era with Saddam?
To be fair, Trump exited the original deal with Iran. So I don't know if I would go on to say that he was altruistically looking for diplomatic solutions.
Whether that deal was "perfect" or not aside, Trump has agency for his decisions. He may have brought America into a war without congressional approval. Yet another precedent set that will likely be felt in the future admins.
Executive power is near unlimited now. What's the point of even having the other branches.
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LOL the war Discord server is already on to what is going to happen with the stock market.
Consensus let's what and see what Iran does
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(06-22-2025, 09:25 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Executive power is near unlimited now. What's the point of even having the other branches.
Congress watching Trump escalate tensions with Iran are like:
Guess we’re just here for the group photo.
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06-22-2025, 09:35 AM
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(06-22-2025, 09:25 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: To be fair, Trump exited the original deal with Iran. So I don't know if I would go on to say that he was altruistically looking for diplomatic solutions.
Whether that deal was "perfect" or not aside, Trump has agency for his decisions. He may have brought America into a war without congressional approval. Yet another precedent set that will likely be felt in the future admins.
Executive power is near unlimited now. What's the point of even having the other branches.
We hear that every time there is a military event anywhere, that horse left the barn a long time ago, looking into Pakistan, they were pissy as hell at our drone strikes on terrorist targets
The precedent has been set
https://x.com/i/grok/share/m1KMjxuOHGE6rJCeE0hjusCzG
Quote:Pakistan (2004–2018):- Drone Strikes: The U.S. conducted 430 drone strikes in Pakistan from 2004 to 2018, primarily targeting al-Qaeda and Taliban militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. These strikes killed 2,497–3,999 people, including 423–965 civilians (172–207 children). The peak was in 2010 with 128 strikes.
- Notable Strike: The May 2, 2011, raid in Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden was a special operations mission, not a drone strike, but is often cited in discussions of U.S. actions in Pakistan
- Total Military Interventions: At least 251 since 1991, per CRS data, covering invasions, airstrikes, drone strikes, and other operations across multiple countries.
- Drone Strikes: Approximately 1,000–1,500 documented drone strikes in Pakistan (430), Yemen (374), Somalia (hundreds, with 51–64 annually at Trump-era peak), and others from 2002–2020, with additional strikes in Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya. Exact numbers are higher due to unreported covert actions.
- Key Countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, with smaller-scale actions in Iran and elsewhere.
- Civilian Impact: Estimates suggest thousands of civilian deaths, with 423–965 in Pakistan alone and 115–149 in Yemen. Transparency remains a significant issue.
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(06-22-2025, 09:30 AM)imitator Wrote: Congress watching Trump escalate tensions with Iran are like:
Guess we’re just here for the group photo.

What's the point of Congress now?
Being reported that the highly enriched uranium was moved out of these sites. The
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-22-2025, 09:37 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: What's the point of Congress now?
Being reported that the highly enriched uranium was moved out of these sites. The
It was also reported that Iran's terrain is very mountainous...from the pic below, it looks to be all mountains.
"Iran has said that its Fordow facilities are intact."
For perspective:
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