Trump says he bombed Iran

[FlyersFan]

Seven B-2s were involved in the strikes. Nine went east with two air spares.

TV news says strikes from submarines too.
Not the MOABS.   Tomahawks.

[andy06shake]

Trump was supposed to keep America out of wars.

Not take them into such!

And without even seeking permission from Congress.

Not the best way to pick up a Nobel Peace Prize. ;)

[putnam6]

I think Netanyahu talked Trump into using the bunker busters to wipe out Iran's Nuclear ambitions after the Israel attacks, and has dragged America further into the middle east mess and not out off it like he promised he'd do. 

Iran may keep its retaliatory actions small instead using the Houthis, Hamas and Hezbollah to carry out attacks. Even though America can handle any attacks from Iran, anything major could cause NATOs article 5 and drag other western countries in to Trumps mess.

Thats always been the case.

America's been neck deep in the Middle East for decades, and NATO concerns have always existed.

but for now America and Israel are doing fine, Russia and China may piss and moan and it wont be settled but no where near to invoking article 5 thiswas a military exercise not declaration of war

Iran will continue these types of attacks, but with air superiority, it will be like whack a mole for a while, sooner or later, they will need resupply though, and thier domestic capacity for war making has to be degraded some what.

Iran is less dangerous than a month ago they definitely cant supply Hamas and Hezzbolah 

[putnam6]

I think for the most part you're right.

Israel has excellent intel, that often punches above their weight as a nation. That said, they've said that Iran was about to have a nuke for 30 years. I suppose that leans into the human part of the human intelligence, implying sometimes it's flawed due to human bias.

That said, for the latter part of your post, I agree there is an interesting part to the uranium itself. But I think so for different reasons.

Lately the narrative has been that only 4%~ enrichment is needed for civilian energy.

To me, that makes me wonder if you're greatly exceeding that, and your sites greatly enriching beyond those levels are being hit... How are we not seeing events comparable to Chernobyl happening? I suppose devils advocate is that they are so far under earth, that it's being contained by the depth. I still imagine there would be some measurable event after though.

But I suppose they could have moved it too, which is a concern of it's own. And I could see why many would use things that could happen from now as justification why all the events lately happened as they did. I just think that removes the agency from our decisions to come to this moment. None of us can say with confidence how close they really were, and it certainly wasn't a large concern for most Americans more than a few weeks before the media caught up with recent events.

All feels like 2002-2003 if you ask me. Weapons of mass destruction.

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So Iran was refining uranium for thier electrical grid? When did Iraq do that? 

This is comparing baffled to orange....

Dubya didn't do Iraq or Afghanistan, silly rabbit

Cheney and the RINOS did, and they made bank in doing so

[Zaphod58]

TV news says strikes from submarines too.
Not the MOABS.   Tomahawks.

Because the TV news is always so accurate. It was at least six GBU-57s at Fordow and one or two at Natanz in addition to Tomahawks from a sub.

GBU-57 isn’t MOAB it’s MOP. MOAB is an air burst weapon dropped out of a C-130.

[Kurokage]

If this had been a democrat president launching these attacks, the MAGA lot would would be screaming "War Monger!". Trump promised to take America out of middle eastern wars and he's just dumped you right in the middle of it.
Iran has stated all American personal and military in the region are now viable targets.

[Kurokage]

Thats always been the case.

America's been neck deep in the Middle East for decades, and NATO concerns have always existed.

but for now America and Israel are doing fine, Russia and China may piss and moan and it wont be settled but no where near to invoking article 5 thiswas a military exercise not declaration of war

Iran will continue these types of attacks, but with air superiority, it will be like whack a mole for a while, sooner or later, they will need resupply though, and thier domestic capacity for war making has to be degraded some what.

Iran is less dangerous than a month ago they definitely cant supply Hamas and Hezzbolah 

I imagine Iran will use it's proxies to attack more targets in places like the straits of Hormuz rather than an outright attack on American bases, but Iran has long threatened to close the strait in response to military aggression, and it has the naval assets, anti-ship missiles, and fast-attack craft necessary to disrupt traffic even if its temporary, causing wide economic consequences.
I also think both China and Russia (Russia less so) will supply Iranian proxies and Iran itself, as both countries will benefit from America being dragged into another middle eastern war.

[andy06shake]

I imagine Iran will use it's proxies to attack more targets in places like the straits of Hormuz rather than an outright attack on American bases, but Iran has long threatened to close the strait in response to military aggression, and it has the naval assets, anti-ship missiles, and fast-attack craft necessary to disrupt traffic even if its temporary, causing wide economic consequences.
I also think both China and Russia (Russia less so) will supply Iranian proxies and Iran itself, as both countries will benefit from America being dragged into another middle eastern war.

Seems to me it risks igniting a full-scale regional war.

Obviously Iran will retaliate, most likely with missile strikes on U.S. allies like Israel and Saudi Arabia, which will trigger further escalation.

If Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz, ​​it is not going to be good for the global oil markets.

Bombing them will simply radicalise the next generation and strengthen anti-U.S. sentiment.

And that's any sort of diplomatic solution to the nuclear concerns right out the window and shattered.

Never mind the fact that this attack is apt to unite Iranians behind the hardline regime, which at the end of the day reduces chances of reform.

The long-term fallout from this attack could far outweigh any short-term strategic gains imho.

And just to add i have no love lost for the Iranians, and the regime they have in place, but this seems to be merely adding fuel to the fire.

[angelchemuel]

Just being announced, Iran Government agree to close Strait of Hormuz.
Rainbows
Jane

[SurferSoul]

Why not just nuke the whole Middle East and Russia and China as well? Surely it’s time for preemptive strikes against all these places? This is a fight against good and evil, it’s time the angels all living in America wiped out all the demons living in other places. 

ra ra ra America, going to save the mother fucking day! Fuck yeah! America…