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Trump says he bombed Iran
(04-08-2026, 08:18 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Nobody is saying they hold ALL the cards, but they do hold some cards obviously, otherwise their civilization would be wiped from the face of the Earth by now.


And Trump obviously didn't want to do that but to think Trump caved and is going to give Iran every one of their obviously unreasonable demands is just silly.

If this was a 5 card poker hand, Iran has a pair of deuces with a 10 kicker and Trump is holding 4 aces.
(04-08-2026, 07:39 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: If true, expect the Left to bitch that Trump is destroying the world's economy.

Tired of talking with them, ya know Lol

There's more going on here in the world, China buying oil and LNG from the US, meeting with Taiwan...

Some theorize this could pivot into ending Russia/Ukraine, too.

more than OMB needs to be impeached bullshit for sure





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(04-08-2026, 08:34 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: And Trump obviously didn't want to do that but to think Trump caved and is going to give Iran every one of their obviously unreasonable demands is just silly.

If this was a 5 card poker hand, Iran has a pair of deuces with a 10 kicker and Trump is holding 4 aces.

If that was the case, the basis of negotiations would be off of our 15 point plan instead of their 10 point plan.

No one wins, we all lose. Iran will take a long time to rebuild, all we have to rebuild is our inventory. But we will have to make concessions. The only thing it looks like we’re getting is the strait open with a new fee that didn’t exist before. 

While there is time to negotiate, I think it’s safe to say we were better off under an imperfect nuclear agreement than whatever this is.

Reality doesn’t care about any of our opinions, it will just happen one way or the other.
(04-08-2026, 08:13 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: So you are going on the assumption that Iran has enough leverage to actually get every one of their 10 point demands fulfilled?

How much leverage can they really have after getting their shit bombed to rubble for a month straight?

its funny how for a month all you guys have cried about is Trump is killing millions with 99.9% unfettered military action and now that Trump has called a ceasefire, you are saying he has caved to terrorists. 

Iran has no leverage at all and will be lucky if only 2 or 3 of their "10 point demands" are met.

The alternative will be the resumption of the bombing and the resumption of you guys crying ABOUT THAT.

You can't seem to post without making it personal and talking about butts and crying?? Did you want a doll to show where the stranger touched you??


Trumps capitulation will give Iran 2 weeks to get more support from Russia and China, whilst also charging everyone 2 million $$ for passage along the Straits. The uncertainty about using the straits and becoming stuck there is already having an effect.

If Iran has no leverage why has Trump already accepted the Iranians 10 point demands as a beginning for discussions. All this will do is give a 2 weeks rest bite till the hostilities began again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/
Quote:Tankers to avoid Strait of Hormuz despite US-Iran ceasefireOil tankers are expected to avoid the Strait of Hormuz despite the US and Iran agreeing a deal to reopen the crucial Gulf shipping route.
Experts said vessel owners were not likely to send tankers back to the Strait because of fears that the ships could become stranded if the two-week ceasefire failed to hold.


Here's Iran's 10 point plan after rejecting America's Islamabad Accords....
Quote: What demands are in Iran’s 10-point plan?

According to state media, Iran will only accept the war’s conclusion once details are finalised in line with a 10-point peace plan reportedly submitted to the White House via Pakistani intermediaries.
The list of 10 points, published by Iranianstate media, include a number of conditions the US has rejected in the past. The plan requires:
  • The lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions on Iran.
  • Continued Iranian control over the strait of Hormuz.
  • US military withdrawal from the Middle East.
  • An end to attacks on Iran and its allies.
  • The release of frozen Iranian assets.
  • A UN security council resolution making any deal binding.
In the version released in Farsi, Iran also included the phrase “acceptance of enrichment” for its nuclear program. But for reasons that remain unclear, that phrase was missing in English versions shared by Iranian diplomats to journalists.

What does the ceasefire plan mean for the strait of Hormuz?

The Iranian foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, said safe passage through the strait would be allowed under Iranian military management. It wasn’t immediately clear whether that meant Iran would completely loosen its hold on the waterway.
The plan allows Iran and Oman to charge a fee of up to $2m a ship on vessels transiting through the strait, according to reports. Iran would then use the money it raises for reconstruction.
If peace talks fail, Tehran may again seek to close the strait.
 
Will the US agree to this 10-point plan and Iran’s proposals?

Since negotiations began between the Trump administration and Iran over the status of Tehran’s nuclear programme almost a year ago, their vastly different demands and the limits to what each side would concede have proved a barrier to any lasting agreement.
Iran’s demand that it retains control over the strait of Hormuz has been highlighted as of particular concern, as it held no control over the strait before the conflict began.
The Democratic senator Chris Murphy leapt on the comments from Iran, telling CNN “who knows if any of that is true, but if this agreement gives Iran the right to control the strait that is cataclysmic for the world”.
Trump himself has not commented directly on Iran’s demands, but said the US would “be helping with the traffic buildup in the strait of Hormuz”.
Experts and analysts have suggested that Iran’s maximalist demands are unlikely to be agreed to by the US, but will rather form the basis for talks.
 What happened in the hours leading up to Trump pausing his deadline?Late on Tuesday, Pakistan’s prime minister urged Trump to extend his deadline by two weeks to allow diplomacy to advance. In a post on X, Sharif, whose country has been leading negotiations, also asked Iran to open up for two weeks the strait of Hormuz.
China, which is Tehran’s biggest trade partner, encouraged the Iranians to find a way to a ceasefire as talks progressed, according to two officials who were not authorised to comment and spoke to AP on condition of anonymity. Trump told AFP on Tuesday he believed China had helped get Iran to the negotiating table.
With the US midterm election campaign ramping up, Trump’s approval ratings have hit their lowest level ever, leaving his Republican party at risk of losing its narrow majorities in Congress. Polls show sizeable majorities of Americans are opposed to the war and frustrated by the rising cost of petrol.



 
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(04-08-2026, 08:16 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: WTF??

Can you explain what leverage the Iranians have here in this situation?

It's fucking funny how now all of a sudden you guys claim Iran holds all the cards now.

Yesterday, he was genociding Iran and Oil will be $250 a barrel

Was DI's barrel of monkey bullshit?
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But change is 
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(04-08-2026, 08:30 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Iran isn't "bombed to rubble" and civilians are still alive, and protesting.

This war perfectly illustrates that leverage isn't just about military destruction.

It's about economic, regional, and domestic pressures as much as it is military might. 

Calling a ceasefire isn't "caving to terrorists," it's a pause so real negotiation can happen.

Framing criticism as "crying” ignores the human cost.

Just because Trump stops bombing doesn't automatically erase power imbalances or the threat.

Iran's demands might seem extreme, but Trump apparently thinks it's a "workable basis to negotiate." 

If he's not playing for time, he appears to be looking for a way out the door...

I'm not really sure what Trump's game is going forward. More pump and dump scenarios?

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"Corporate Profits: While President Trump stated, "when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money," reports confirm that oil and defense contractors saw soaring profits, whereas the broader U.S. economy faced inflation, disrupted supply chains, and diverted funds from healthcare, education, and infrastructure. " (LLM)

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"“I’ve been saying forever that Donald Trump’s energy policy is to prioritize the interest of energy producers (high prices) over consumers (low prices),” Rep. Sean Casten (D-Ill.) said in an X post. “It appears he agrees with me.”

“Instability makes oil prices soar,” Lorne Stockman, international research director at Oil Change International said in a press release response to the post. “As geopolitical tensions rise, Trump’s fossil fuel billionaire donors reap windfall profits while people are being killed and working people around the world face higher energy and food costs.”

In Trump’s post, the president isn’t talking about families grappling with their bills, said Jesse Lee, a senior adviser at Climate Power.

“Trump is talking about the people he cares about most — the oil and gas billionaires who spent millions of dollars to get him elected,” Lee said in an email. “Trump will always put his billionaire buddies first, and working families will always be left to pay the price.”"

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/13...g-00826428
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(04-08-2026, 08:34 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: And Trump obviously didn't want to do that but to think Trump caved and is going to give Iran every one of their obviously unreasonable demands is just silly.

If this was a 5 card poker hand, Iran has a pair of deuces with a 10 kicker and Trump is holding 4 aces.

Who said here on DI that Trump will give Iran every one of their demands?

All I stated was that there are already cracks in the ceasefire because Israel refused to stop their aggressive expansion in Lebanon and elsewhere, which is one of the demands in the ceasefire negotiations.
"The only journey is the one within."
(04-08-2026, 08:30 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Iran isn't "bombed to rubble" and civilians are still alive, and protesting.

This war perfectly illustrates that leverage isn't just about military destruction.

It's about economic, regional, and domestic pressures as much as it is military might. 

Calling a ceasefire isn't "caving to terrorists," it's a pause so real negotiation can happen.

Framing criticism as "crying” ignores the human cost.

Just because Trump stops bombing doesn't automatically erase power imbalances or the threat.

Iran's demands might seem extreme, but Trump apparently thinks it's a "workable basis to negotiate." 

If he's not playing for time, he appears to be looking for a way out the door...

Iran's demands are extreme and completely inconsistent with anything a country in their position could possibly demand.

The leverage is all in Trump's hands, either Iran will acquiesce to accepting to only a fraction of what they are "demanding" or he might make e good on the threat of taking them out completely. 

He is going to give Iran the off ramp to accept the invitation to join the world's community of peaceful nations and stop with the terrorism support that has plagued the Middle East for countless years.

I believe he will also offer the USA's help to rebuild should Iran accept a 100% peaceful solution.
(04-08-2026, 08:44 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: Iran's demands are extreme and completely inconsistent with anything a country in their position could possibly demand.

The leverage is all in Trump's hands, either Iran will acquiesce to accepting to only a fraction of what they are "demanding" or he might make e good on the threat of taking them out completely. 

He is going to give Iran the off ramp to accept the invitation to join the world's community of peaceful nations and stop with the terrorism support that has plagued the Middle East for countless years.

I believe he will also offer the USA's help to rebuild should Iran accept a 100% peaceful solution.

And what about Israel's continued genocidal expansionist wars throughout the region, do they get a pass from joining peaceful nations and halting their particular brand of terrorism?
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(04-08-2026, 08:43 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Who said here on DI that Trump will give Iran every one of their demands?

All I stated was that there are already cracks in the ceasefire because Israel refused to stop their aggressive expansion in Lebanon and elsewhere, which is one of the demands in the ceasefire negotiations.


Isreal will always be the wild card and Iran is stupid for thinking they can make any demand like that when every country around Isreal helps the terrorists that want to destroy Isreal.

Either Iran accepts Trump's proposals or FAFO.



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