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Trump says he bombed Iran
(04-08-2026, 07:39 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: If true, expect the Left to bitch that Trump is destroying the world's economy.

Trump failed lifting up the US' and the world's economy before this war began. How quickly they forget.

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"Before the Iran war began in late February 2026, President Trump's economic standing was already strained by poor public approval and a sputtering job market, despite his claims of a boom.  

Polls conducted between January 29 and March 2 showed that only 40 percent of Americans approved of his handling of the economy, while 56.7 percent disapproved.  The labor market had been struggling, with the U.S. adding fewer than 50,000 jobs on average each month in 2025 and losing a net 19,000 jobs since May 2025. 
Inflation and tariffs were also significant concerns, with the annual inflation rate rising to 3 percent in early 2026 due to trade pressures.  While the stock market was initially buoyant and prices had begun to level out at the turn of the year, the economy faced mounting strain from job cuts and businesses grappling with the shock of a trade war and new technology.  Trump had projected a 4 percent or higher growth rate for 2026, but these prospects were already under pressure before the conflict escalated oil prices and further damaged consumer confidence. " (LLM)

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"Since mid-February, before the war began, Trump has gone from a minus-31 net approval on “cost of living” (30% approving to 61% disapproving) to minus-41 (25%-66%). And on inflation and rising prices, he’s gone from minus-33 (29%-62%) to minus-45 (23%-68%).

Perhaps most striking is the Republican shift.

While 27% of Republicans disapproved of Trump on “cost of living” issues last month, that number is now 34%.

And while 28% of Republicans disapproved of him on inflation and rising prices in mid-February, that number has jumped to 40%.

Those are large chunks of what should be Trump’s base."

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/14/busin...n-war.html
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(04-07-2026, 04:20 PM)RazorV66 Wrote: If he always chickens out, why are you guys on here 24/7 crying about him ending the world or some other ridiculous bullshit?

And why are you the first to moan and bitch about other members and make personal insults?? 

I will admit though, it's good that T.A.C.O has actually helped out the world this time with Trump taking Iran's 10 point demands. I just hope the money for all the damage Iran is asking for isn't to extortionate.



 
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(04-08-2026, 07:57 AM)Kurokage Wrote: And why are you the first to moan and bitch about other members and make personal insults?? 

I will admit though, it's good that T.A.C.O has actually helped out the world this time with Trump taking Iran's 10 point demands. I just hope the money for all the damage Iran is asking for isn't to extortionate.

Maybe they can deduct the accumulated toll fees from the total amount after they arrive at a mutually agreed upon reasonable financial settlement and a meeting of minds as to the actual extent of Iran's infrastructure and military damage.

I wonder if Israel will be allowed to continue their wars of aggression and expansion in the region by all parties because there really seems to be no other recourse to resolve this ongoing problem with them.
"The only journey is the one within."

(04-08-2026, 07:57 AM)Kurokage Wrote: And why are you the first to moan and bitch about other members and make personal insults?? 

I will admit though, it's good that T.A.C.O has actually helped out the world this time with Trump taking Iran's 10 point demands. I just hope the money for all the damage Iran is asking for isn't to extortionate.

Unfortunately that’s what political discourse has become.

Many members accused me of being anti American because I thought this war would cost more than it was worth. I’m not accusing them of being anti American because I understand where they’re coming from, I just disagree.

I don’t expect any apologies or discourse to change going forward. It just is what it is. I imagine we’ll make a similar mistake in my lifetime too because people fall for the same elite government bait time after time. Many elites made money on this and the American people will foot the tab.

Such is life, and we can’t expect everyone to learn this lesson because of partisan pride. Democrats will likely do this again too, it’s not exclusive to party, but rather the parties serving the same donors, not voters.
(04-08-2026, 07:57 AM)Kurokage Wrote: And why are you the first to moan and bitch about other members and make personal insults?? 

I will admit though, it's good that T.A.C.O has actually helped out the world this time with Trump taking Iran's 10 point demands. I just hope the money for all the damage Iran is asking for isn't to extortionate.


So you are going on the assumption that Iran has enough leverage to actually get every one of their 10 point demands fulfilled?

How much leverage can they really have after getting their shit bombed to rubble for a month straight?

its funny how for a month all you guys have cried about is Trump is killing millions with 99.9% unfettered military action and now that Trump has called a ceasefire, you are saying he has caved to terrorists. 

Iran has no leverage at all and will be lucky if only 2 or 3 of their "10 point demands" are met.

The alternative will be the resumption of the bombing and the resumption of you guys crying ABOUT THAT.
(04-08-2026, 08:02 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Maybe they can deduct the accumulated toll fees from the total amount after they arrive at a mutually agreed upon reasonable financial settlement and a meeting of minds as to the actual extent of Iran's infrastructure and military damage.

I wonder if Israel will be allowed to continue their wars of aggression and expansion in the region by all parties because there really seems to be no other recourse to resolve this ongoing problem with them.


WTF??

Can you explain what leverage the Iranians have here in this situation?

It's fucking funny how now all of a sudden you guys claim Iran holds all the cards now.
(04-08-2026, 08:16 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: WTF??

Can you explain what leverage the Iranians have here in this situation?

It's fucking funny how now all of a sudden you guys claim Iran holds all the cards now.

Nobody is saying they hold ALL the cards, but they do hold some cards obviously, otherwise their civilization would be wiped from the face of the Earth by now.
"The only journey is the one within."
(04-08-2026, 08:13 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: Iran has no leverage at all and will be lucky if only 2 or 3 of their "10 point demands" are met.

The alternative will be the resumption of the bombing and the resumption of you guys crying ABOUT THAT.


I think people are mad we did this to begin with. That cost lives and money, and for what?

Less than 48 hours ago people were celebrating that we were going to knock out power for a desert nation before summer, now they’re praising Trump.

One of those positions look a lot more consistent than the other IMO.

Edit: as for who has leverage, the basis of negotiation is off their 10 point plan, not our 15 point plan.
(04-08-2026, 08:13 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: So you are going on the assumption that Iran has enough leverage to actually get every one of their 10 point demands fulfilled?

How much leverage can they really have after getting their shit bombed to rubble for a month straight?

its funny how for a month all you guys have cried about is Trump is killing millions with 99.9% unfettered military action and now that Trump has called a ceasefire, you are saying he has caved to terrorists. 

Iran has no leverage at all and will be lucky if only 2 or 3 of their "10 point demands" are met.

The alternative will be the resumption of the bombing and the resumption of you guys crying ABOUT THAT.

Iran isn't "bombed to rubble" and civilians are still alive, and protesting.

This war perfectly illustrates that leverage isn't just about military destruction.

It's about economic, regional, and domestic pressures as much as it is military might. 

Calling a ceasefire isn't "caving to terrorists," it's a pause so real negotiation can happen.

Framing criticism as "crying” ignores the human cost.

Just because Trump stops bombing doesn't automatically erase power imbalances or the threat.

Iran's demands might seem extreme, but Trump apparently thinks it's a "workable basis to negotiate." 

If he's not playing for time, he appears to be looking for a way out the door...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."



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