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Trump says he bombed Iran
(03-03-2026, 08:27 AM)andy06shake Wrote: He cannot open his mouth without telling lies.

True.
Same as all politicians.
He's not the 'drain the swamp' messiah that MAGA think.
He's just like the rest .. lying and making $$ off everyone.
(03-03-2026, 08:29 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Hence wonder why you cannot, or refuse to see the man, for what he is?
I know what he is.
Doesn't change the fact that not everything in the world is about Epstein.
(03-03-2026, 08:22 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: It's irrelevant in regards to Pelosis statement that Obama doesn't need to get Congress approval but Trump does.   The UN security resolution has NOTHING to do with American law on this matter.    

She said Obama doesn't have to get Congress approval, but then said Trump does.
For the same type of operation.   It's hypocrisy.   And she's wrong.

I see it differently,  as did the DOJ at the time.  The U.N. authorised the coalition with it's security council backing and calling for the defence of the Libyan people, immediate action was needed.

The Iranian attack had no kind of legal U.N. backing.
In that case, a backing from the U.S. congress for it's actions would make it's case for an attack more legitimate.
 
Quote:The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) set out that the U.S. role—initially limited airstrikes and enforcement of a no‑fly zone carried out as part of an international coalition under UNSCR 1973—could be undertaken without a separate AUMF because it was not the kind of sustained ground combat that the War Powers Resolution contemplates 



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(03-03-2026, 08:31 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: True.
Same as all politicians.
He's not the 'drain the swamp' messiah that MAGA think.
He's just like the rest .. lying and making $$ off everyone.

And at what cost in the end?

Can we even realistically speculate, given the place and the people involved? 

It's not Trump who will ultimately pay the price.

And this entire debacle is apt to last a lot longer than 4 days. 

As to draining the swamp, i think we all wish to see that happen, but as you well know, that is not Trump's objective.

It's an election slogan.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(03-03-2026, 08:34 AM)Kurokage Wrote: I see it differently,  as did the DOJ at the time.  The U.N. authorised the coalition with it's security council backing and calling for the defence of the Libyan people, immediate action was needed.
The Iranian attack had no kind of legal  backing.

In that case, a backing from the U.S. congress for it's actions would make it's case for an attack more legitimate.
 

The UN resolution didn't give any legal backing in America.  
It was irrelevant as far as our laws are concerned.

Obama and Trump did the same kind of operation.
Neither requires approval of Congress until 90 days later.
But Pelosi said Obama was okay to do it but Trump wasn't.
It's hypocrisy.   Political bias.
Both Obama and Trump followed the law ... equally.
(03-03-2026, 08:36 AM)andy06shake Wrote: As to draining the swamp, i think we all wish to see that happen, but as you well know, that is not Trump's objective.
It's an election slogan.

True.
(03-03-2026, 08:33 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: I know what he is.
Doesn't change the fact that not everything in the world is about Epstein.

Fair enough.

But given the connections and circumstances. 

Just about everything in Trump's world seems to be in that orbit.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(03-03-2026, 08:37 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The UN resolution didn't give any legal backing in America.  
It was irrelevant as far as our laws are concerned.

Obama and Trump did the same kind of operation.
Neither requires approval of Congress until 90 days later.
But Pelosi said Obama was okay to do it but Trump wasn't.
It's hypocrisy.   Political bias.
Both Obama and Trump followed the law ... equally.

I understand the 90 day thing. 
I just see it as a U.N. resolution calling for a coalition covering any future legal problems. It was at a time when U.N. authority appeared a legitimate reason to act.

How many of those countries from the Libyan coalition have stood up for this??



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
Is this about regime change?  Now it seems to be about ICBMs?

Whatever it is, the objectives seem a bit unclear.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
(03-03-2026, 08:31 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: True.
Same as all politicians.
He's not the 'drain the swamp' messiah that MAGA think.
He's just like the rest .. lying and making $$ off everyone.

Same as it ever was... in my lifetime at least, don't believe ANY politician's statement without proper vetting.

FFS is that just an American thing, a southern thing.

You can tell who didn;t listen to the Clinton testimonies good chance some co-conspirators may have to testify before a Congressional committee. SLOW but seems like progress to me, we didn't even know these persons previously. Even Hillary suggested some co-conspirators should have been charged, which doesn't mean you believe her politician's deflection, but it is a potential expanded look into the Epstein stuff.

Finally, people are sniffing around




His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
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