Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[pianopraze]

Democrat started/funded wars = bad.
Republican started/funded wars = bad.

Get out of war = good.

I’m for that.

[putnam6]

[Edit to add: Ooops, responding to earlier post: https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Trump-i...3#pid38263]


I didn't register that report as portraying an accusation... but narrative's have momentum.

It should have been self-evident that Crimea's status was a central contention (how could it not?)

Knowing this surfaces an 'offer' which cannot pass muster...

They make it anyway... 

The inevitable "refusal" becomes media fodder.

Here we are.

I would like them to commit to a deal...

This was never so simple a case as "Russia gets Crimea and we have a deal"... so why pretend it is now?





I don't understand how the posturing and "showmanship" improves the bargaining.

It doesn't, but pray tell, what would in the situation?  One assumes Zelenskyy is backed into a corner, and now Russia will continue to pound and take ground till he is more apt to discuss terms realistically 

Depends solely on Europe's and the UK's 32-tailed 5-headed dragon...

[sahgwa]

Good possibility, but what did the oil company folks do to force Trump to run for President in 2015? 
He wasn't "involved" before like Hillary was. What prevented them from selecting Hillary, who was always a true Puppet? 

It's off topic but I found plenty of oil companies that paid for his inauguration and helped his campaign finances. 
Isn't he the 'drill baby drill' guy? What's not for them to love?

[sahgwa]

It doesn't, but pray tell, what would in the situation?  One assumes Zelenskyy is backed into a corner, and now Russia will continue to pound and take ground till he is more apt to discuss terms realistically 

Depends solely on Europe's and the UK's 32-tailed 5-headed dragon...

I think a lot of people forget that before all this nonsense of the SMO, and even after the so called annexation vote, Ukraine and Russia were sharing the port in Crimea and had an agreement for dual use. 

Ukraine and Russian navy were both docked there, not to mention commercial traffic.

[putnam6]

I think a lot of people forget that before all this nonsense of the SMO, and even after the so called annexation vote, Ukraine and Russia were sharing the port in Crimea and had an agreement for dual use. 

Ukraine and Russian navy were both docked there, not to mention commercial traffic.

Yeah, some will have to get past thier emotions to have a real discussion.

[Oldcarpy2]

But Putin carries on targeting civilians, which is a war crime, whilst Trump blames Zelensky for starting the War and generally blaming him for everything.

He's Putin's Poodle and will yap whatever Putin tells him to.

It's beyond obvious.

[xuenchen]

But Putin carries on targeting civilians, which is a war crime, whilst Trump blames Zelensky for starting the War and generally blaming him for everything.

He's Putin's Poodle and will yap whatever Putin tells him to.

It's beyond obvious.

But? NATO failure! 
EU weakening! 
NATO MUST Act!

[Oldcarpy2]

But? NATO failure! 
EU weakening! 
NATO MUST Act!

Sorry, what does any of that mean?

Trump is bending over to Putin and chucking Ukraine under the bus .

But, you bang on about NATO and the EU?

No, Trump needs to get a set.

He won't, don't you wonder why?

Probably not.

[xuenchen]

Sorry, what does any of that mean?

Trump is bending over to Putin and chucking Ukraine under the bus .

But, you bang on about NATO and the EU?

No, Trump needs to get a set.

He won't, don't you wonder why?

Probably not.

But when Zelenskyy was getting money and weapons from the U.S. before, Russia kept gaining ground without Trump being President? Now The EU needs to put in troops like they said and quadruple the funding! Russia will be in Kiev any day! Ukraine could topple! 

[guyfriday]

But Putin carries on targeting civilians, which is a war crime, whilst Trump blames Zelensky for starting the War and generally blaming him for everything.

He's Putin's Poodle and will yap whatever Putin tells him to.

It's beyond obvious.

If anyone cares to remember at this point:
The only reason Russia went into Ukraine was because Zelensky decided to cut off water and electricity to the southern portion of Ukraine, the area that was mostly inhabited by Ethnic Russians. Those people were pleading with Zelensky and with the EU to do something. Russia ended up having to go in on a humanitarian mission, then got attacked by Ukrainians military and mercenary groups. After a few months Zelensky was going to sit down with Russa and find a truce, but then Boris Johnson at the behest of NATO and the EU told Zelensky not to meet with Putin, and from there the war has been going on as is. 

At this point Zelensky only wants unconditional victory and is unwilling to settle for peace with Russia, which makes ending this war impossible. Russian just wants their deal of having a Black Sea port, and equal rights for Ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 

Countering against all this is the fact that NATO as a whole, exclusion of the US, needs Russia as an aggressor to stay relevant, and the EU needs Ukrainian money to continue grifting the US since the US pulled out of the Paris Climate Scam. 

Imagine if McCain, Graham, and Biden's groups didn't involve themselves in Ukraine back in '14, there would be no war.