Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[quintessentone]

Sounds as if for the immediate future this is to supplement Western missiles.

Media reports also suggest that Ukraine burned through its last ATACMS missiles in January, the Long Neptune will be a nuisance but it doesn't sound like a results changer. Especially since negotiations are about removing attacks on energy infrastructure on no attacks in the Black Sea.

 

It appears Putin needs to keep the war going to keep the money flowing.

Negotiations at this point in time, to me, seem doomed to failure, unless Russia can come out of this economically unscathed if he agrees to a complete ceasefire and peace.

[sahgwa]

A lot of people say that Russia in Ukraine is less about geopolitical manoeuvering against NATO and more about shoring up their economy and gaining resources.  This led me to become curious.  We have all seen the Youtube videos of Russians, and foreigners in Russia, shopping and showing how things have changed but are still good, after sanctions.  Shots show corporate chains like Starbucks and Macdonalds becoming their Russian domestic brands; consumers say the product is identical in taste and quality, just the logos are different.  They show shots of full supermarkets with an abundance of local produce, both in the cities and in the small countryside kiosks. OK , fair enough. Cherry picked maybe.  So what kind of unbiased economic reporting can I find when I search in Brave?
'economy in Russia after sanctions'First link I found was not updated since early 2023. But it said 'Russian Economy is shrinking' OK it leaves out like 2 whole years.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infog...n-economy/
Let's find something more recent. October 2024
https://internationalbanker.com/finance/...utperform/
Sanctions Notwithstanding, Russia’s Economy Continues to Outperform
 International Monetary Fund (IMF) released the latest edition of its “World Economic Outlook”. Published twice a year, the report’s October issue confirmed that the organisation expects the Russian economy to grow by 3.6 percent this year, up from the 3.2-percent expansion stated in the preceding edition published in April and also comfortably ahead of the United States (2.8 percent), Germany (0.0 percent), France (1.1 percent) and the United Kingdom (1.1 percent). With Moscow still facing an onslaught of economic sanctions levied against it by Western nations, speculation continues to mount over whether Russia’s economy can continue to withstand this raft of punitive measures and maintain the same growth trajectory over the next few years.

That sounds like Russian propaganda.
Let's find a different source.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-econ...0-minutes/
Countries have imposed thousands of sanctions on Russia since it launched its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, but more than two years later, Russia's economy is growing.Russia is the third largest oil producer in the world and this year, despite the price cap, its oil and gas revenues are expected to increase 2.6% to nearly $240 billion. The Kremlin has circumvented the price cap using the dark fleet.
The dark fleet, or shadow fleet, is used to move a million barrels of oil around Western sanctions every day. The term shadow or dark fleet refers to aging vessels with opaque ownership that moves oil to evade sanctions.

OK but is it only oil keeping them alive? These damn Russians must learn....
It's not just India that's fueling Russia's economy – the U.S. is playing a role, too. Most enriched uranium purchased by the U.S. is now of foreign origin, with around a quarter of the enriched uranium entering the U.S. coming from Russia, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. 

OK So despite Sanctions and Losing the War, Russia has a booming economy due to oil and uranium.  

It appears Putin needs to keep the war going to keep the money flowing.

Russia needs to continue the war to save it's economy, how is that again?

[quintessentone]

OK but is it only oil keeping them alive? These damn Russians must learn....
It's not just India that's fueling Russia's economy – the U.S. is playing a role, too. Most enriched uranium purchased by the U.S. is now of foreign origin, with around a quarter of the enriched uranium entering the U.S. coming from Russia, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. 

OK So despite Sanctions and Losing the War, Russia has a booming economy due to oil and uranium.  
Russia needs to continue the war to save it's economy, how is that again?

It is explained in the video I posted.

When will Russia run out of cannon fodder is another important question in this brutal war?

[sahgwa]

It is explained in the video I posted.

When will Russia run out of cannon fodder is another important question in this brutal war?

I don't have the ability to watch videos right now, would you care to share the pertinent synopsis in text for others, or at least myself? It would be appreciated !

[Oldcarpy2]

Being reported that a ceasefire in the Black Sea might be on the cards, but Putin wants some sanctions lifted first.

[quintessentone]

I don't have the ability to watch videos right now, would you care to share the pertinent synopsis in text for others, or at least myself? It would be appreciated !

It basically says the same thing as always, that Putin is running out of civilian factory workers, cannon fodder for the front lines, and resources to keep this war going. Throw in an inflation rate of 21% and Ukraine taking out key oil refineries and other strategic military targets, then ask yourself "How long can Russia's economy take these hits?"

[putnam6]

It appears Putin needs to keep the war going to keep the money flowing.

Negotiations at this point in time, to me, seem doomed to failure, unless Russia can come out of this economically unscathed if he agrees to a complete ceasefire and peace.

As long as they are talking, and seemingly ratcheting down hostilities on certain line items. 




I was listening about the negotiations on an  X space and one commenter suggested Trump will hand Putin through his worldwide contacts major contracts on Russian imports and exports, hopefully enough to get Putin to cede atleast Donbas and Luhansk. If not they will try and set up Zelensky and Ukraine with contracts to offset the loss of territory  .

Also mentioned  talks about a 10-mile DMZ, particularly on the eastern border

[quintessentone]

As long as they are talking, and seemingly ratcheting down hostilities on certain line items. 


I was listening about the negotiations on an  X space and one commenter suggested Trump will hand Putin through his worldwide contacts major contracts on Russian imports and exports, hopefully enough to get Putin to cede atleast Donbas and Luhansk. If not they will try and set up Zelensky and Ukraine with contracts to offset the loss of territory  .

Also mentioned  talks about a 10-mile DMZ, particularly on the eastern border

I just don't see Putin giving up anything considering he has always wanted to 'free' all the other countries surrounding Iran. Will Putin just give up all his desires of expansion and conquering the free world or will he come to the reality that he has no choice because his military hasn't nor ever will accomplish it's main goal of taking all of Ukraine and he now needs a 'saving face' way of getting out of this war?

[sahgwa]

ask yourself "How long can Russia's economy take these hits?"

That is why I was curious.  At least as of 5 months ago they were doing very well.  Would be interesting to find an even more recent report.

[sahgwa]

As long as they are talking, and seemingly ratcheting down hostilities on certain line items. 




I was listening about the negotiations on an  X space and one commenter suggested Trump will hand Putin through his worldwide contacts major contracts on Russian imports and exports, hopefully enough to get Putin to cede atleast Donbas and Luhansk. If not they will try and set up Zelensky and Ukraine with contracts to offset the loss of territory  .

Also mentioned  talks about a 10-mile DMZ, particularly on the eastern border

This is good news, but what I wonder is, you read Russia and USA agree to no bombing of energy infrastructure, but Ukraine recently bombed Russian oil facilities, which is energy, so will Ukraine agree?