Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[pianopraze]

I thought Biden did OK at the recovery after Trump's first term.

Now the trade wars have begun, I think it is likely that the people of the US will realize that they hardly farm or manufacture anything, in comparison to their voracious preference for both the best and the cheapest of imports.

But everything from overseas in the US just got at least 25% more expensive. All with the flick of a pen.



Essentials like medicines in the US were the most expensive of any country in the world, and now, guess what?

Not going to defend Trump, but Biden undid what Trump had done to lower prescriptions. 

none of that germain for this discussion.

i’m just glad trump is pulling us out of this Ukrain cragmire, if Europe wants to fund it let them.

looks like a huge money laundry operation draining billions from the USA to me.

so I say get the heck out of Ukrain, stop all money.

we are no longer in place to bankroll the world we are fing bankrupt.

our stupidity allowing politicians to destroy us with debt is literally killing our country.

[putnam6]

Not going to defend Trump, but Biden undid what Trump had done to lower prescriptions. 

none of that germain for this discussion.

i’m just glad trump is pulling us out of this Ukrain cragmire, if Europe wants to fund it let them.

looks like a huge money laundry operation draining billions from the USA to me.

so I say get the heck out of Ukrain, stop all money.

we are no longer in place to bankroll the world we are fing bankrupt.

our stupidity allowing politicians to destroy us with debt is literally killing our country.

This is what Zelensky, Starmer, Macron, Olaf, Justin, Giorgina, etc are just now beginning to understand.

They should have been prepared for this eventuality at least from the establishment of the EU 

Now hearing rumors and get this...

The EU sends troops and will begin offering citizenship contracts to immigrants who join the military 

[pianopraze]

This is what Zelensky, Starmer, Macron, Olaf, Justin, Giorgina, etc are just now beginning to understand.

They should have been prepared for this eventuality at least from the establishment of the EU 

Now hearing rumors and get this...

The EU sends troops and will begin offering citizenship contracts to immigrants who join the military 

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Europe has been at war continually for as long as we’ve had historical record. Peace is more an anomaly than norm.

let them pay for their own damn wars and leave us out of it.

[UltraBudgie]

i'm beginning to think putin doesn't care any more if nato gets western ukraine. sure 20 years ago he did, it was a strategic necessity. but don't you think he's been working on that problem? weapons development, short range intracontinental ballistic systems, drone shields, and the buffer territory acquisition of the eastern oblasts -- i don't think he gives a hoot any more, despite what he's saying for strategic purposes. it's basically poland get a few hundred miles wider. no big deal, the southern ports are secure and it's basically just that much less pipeline that russia will have to defend. so maybe look for him to "compromise" on a few decades injunction rather than permanent? that dovetails nicely with the squabblegames europe wants to play as well as the ukusa bonepicking. let ukusa keep ukraine (what's left) on the edge of tinderbox, haha, so as to bullyhand germany et al, and if they want to play extractionist colonial civilwar games, well so what all the good stuff's in the east anyway, and putin is used to taking the heat for mi6 deflection. might even slip in a few ops of his own, hohoho.

[putnam6]

i'm beginning to think putin doesn't care any more if nato gets western ukraine. sure 20 years ago he did, it was a strategic necessity. but don't you think he's been working on that problem? weapons development, short range intracontinental ballistic systems, drone shields, and the buffer territory acquisition of the eastern oblasts -- i don't think he gives a hoot any more, despite what he's saying for strategic purposes. it's basically poland get a few hundred miles wider. no big deal, the southern ports are secure and it's basically just that much less pipeline that russia will have to defend. so maybe look for him to "compromise" on a few decades injunction rather than permanent? that dovetails nicely with the squabblegames europe wants to play as well as the ukusa bonepicking. let ukusa keep ukraine (what's left) on the edge of tinderbox, haha, so as to bullyhand germany et al, and if they want to play extractionist colonial civilwar games, well so what all the good stuff's in the east anyway, and putin is used to taking the heat for mi6 deflection. might even slip in a few ops of his own, hohoho.

 Zelensky ready to work under Trump's 'strong leadership' after 'regrettable' showdown

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c981p3dxne...7070423e2b

The key lines from Zelensky's statement published at 11:30

Now we've had time to digest that statement from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, here's a summary:

• 'Time to make things right': Zelensky expressed regret over his spat with Donald Trump in the Oval Office last Friday, saying it "did not go the way it was supposed to"
  
• 'Strong leadership': He said Ukraine was ready to work as fast as it could to end the war with Russia - and take Trump's lead
  
• First stages: He also proposed some initial stages towards ending the war, including releasing prisoners, and a truce in the sea and sky
  
• Ready to sign: He thanked the US for its support throughout the war, adding that Kyiv was "ready" to sign the US-proposed minerals deal
  
• No word on aid: His statement did not directly address the US decision to suspend aid to Ukraine
  

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 Zelensky ready to work under Trump's 'strong leadership' after 'regrettable' showdown

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c981p3dxne...7070423e2b

This appears to refer to only a ceasefire and Putin may agree, so as to gain time and more military resources to strike again, soon. Putin will only engage transactionally when it benefits him.

I don't see that Trump will revisit this rare minerals deal because it's clear if he did that negotiating peace after the fact with Putin won't get anywhere because Putin won't make any concessions and since Putin has shown numerous times he reneges on agreements, security measures will be a must.

From your link:
 

In a post on X, Zelensky says the first stages in ending the war could include "the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same".
 
"Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal."
 
We're still combing through the statement - stay with us further updates.

Zelenskyy says "if Russia will do the same", see how those few words give us a big clue? Trump will need to convince Putin to make concessions, do you really think that will happen? That is why Trump is making Zelenskyy the fall guy in all of this and treats Putin with kid gloves.

The EU and Ukraine are meeting once more this Thursday, let's see where they go from there... a lot can happen between now and then.

I would have added that all abducted children are to be returned immediately to Ukrainian officials.

[putnam6]

This appears to refer to only a ceasefire and Putin may agree, so as to gain time and more military resources to strike again, soon. Putin will only engage transactionally when it benefits him.

I don't see that Trump will revisit this rare minerals deal because it's clear if he did that negotiating peace after the fact with Putin won't get anywhere because Putin won't make any concessions and since Putin has shown numerous times he reneges on agreements, security measures will be a must.

From your link:
 

Zelenskyy says "if Russia will do the same", see how those few words give us a big clue? Trump will need to convince Putin to make concessions, do you really think that will happen? That is why Trump is making Zelenskyy the fall guy in all of this and treats Putin with kid gloves.

The EU and Ukraine are meeting once more this Thursday, let's see where they go from there... a lot can happen between now and then.

I would have added that all abducted children are to be returned immediately to Ukrainian officials.

Im just glad it seems they may have have started the peace process, I have no expectations these things take time, we are a Veruka Salt society. We want it now, right now and if we don't get it well it's the wrong thing to do. 

4 days ago people were all for Zelensky, well it's Tuesday and Zelensky has weighed his choices, and now he is groveling a bit 

As much as I want peace, and I do,  I can see a possibility Trump will tell him to go whistle. 

Just as Trump said on Friday Zelensky has no cards here, he can request all he wants and it may just be a stalling tactic. But I already heard 5 EU countries will NOT send troops

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський

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I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace. None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal. We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this. Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive. Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.

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Im just glad it seems they may have have started the peace process, I have no expectations these things take time, we are a Veruka Salt society. We want it now, right now and if we don't get it well it's the wrong thing to do. 

4 days ago people were all for Zelensky, well it's Tuesday and Zelensky has weighed his choices, and now he is groveling a bit 

As much as I want peace, and I do,  I can see a possibility Trump will tell him to go whistle. 

Just as Trump said on Friday Zelensky has no cards here, he can request all he wants and it may just be a stalling tactic. But I already heard 5 EU countries will NOT send troops

ITALY
GERMANY 
POLAND 
HUNGARY
SLOVAKIA

Turkiye seems to be ready to send troops and they are formidable.

If you read what Zelensky is saying, he is still asking for Putin to make concessions. How do you think that will go?

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський

@ZelenskyyUa


I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace. None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal. We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this. Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive. Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.

Somebody spanked him hard.