Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[quintessentone]

I don't think enough people are trying to get into devil's advocate mode in regards to Russia and their psychology on this whole thing. The whole MO of the SMO was ostensibly to push back against NATO expansion and CIA Color Revolution, and to remove Nazis in Kiev , who were supported by 'Nazis in Washington' I think were the words of Medvedev (?) .  In their mind it was a surgical strike at regime change, against US-backed regime change,  to 'help' Ukraine be more independent from Western fascist meddling. 

That said, I don't think there would be any impetus for Russia to 'invade' Ukraine, if American business interests were on the ground in Ukraine, as long as USA helped 'clean' the government of Kiev.   The 'business interests' would just be there as a side effect of USA 'helping'  
Therefore, in this scenario, Trump would have to show Putin that he is helping to make Ukraine more independent and less staunchly Anti Russia.  so called.

So, if a ceasefire and peace is somehow reached, what happens if the Ukrainian people want to keep Zelensky in power?

[sahgwa]

So, if a ceasefire and peace is somehow reached, what happens if the Ukrainian people want to keep Zelensky in power?

I don't see how USA or Russia would have any say in that, then.
However, constitutionally speaking, Zelensky would be ineligible to simply 'keep in power'  , as he already has over stayed his term.  He would have to be elected for a second term.

[quintessentone]

I don't see how USA or Russia would have any say in that, then.
However, constitutionally speaking, Zelensky would be ineligible to simply 'keep in power'  , as he already has over stayed his term.  He would have to be elected for a second term.

Of course, that is what I meant. The polls there, if we can believe in polls in a war torn country, have Zelensky's approval rating at 57% as of February, 2025.

[sahgwa]

Well, I don't trust polls or elections.  In my opinion they are all co-opted, bought, and broadcasted nonsense. So that is poor basis for debating, unfortunately. :D

[Oldcarpy2]

"Therefore, in this scenario, Trump would have to show Putin that he is helping to make Ukraine more independent and less staunchly Anti Russia. so called."

What if the people want to be anti Russia?

After being invaded, bombed, shelled, droned etc by Russia I don't think they will be very fond of Russia?

[sahgwa]

"Therefore, in this scenario, Trump would have to show Putin that he is helping to make Ukraine more independent and less staunchly Anti Russia. so called."

What if the people want to be anti Russia?

After being invaded, bombed, shelled, droned etc by Russia I don't think they will be very fond of Russia?

The people can be whatever they want, as long as the shooting stops, right? Isn't that the whole point of a ceasefire?

And isn't the whole back and forth that you are engaging in, merely more evidence that third party monitoring and assistance in obtaining this ceasefire is needed?

[putnam6]

Oh never. And its just fueled on either side by profiteers and imperialists. 
Thats why we can't really rely on either of them to actually enact a ceasefire. We need some kind of physical third party presence at this point. As much as I hate to say that.  
It worked in Kosovo. 
I am hoping for physical surveillance over physical humans.

100% they need to find ways to monitor the situation without having 3rd party troops on the ground. 

I'd be wary of sending "peacekeepers" or whatever label you want to attach to foreign troops in Ukraine, they would be nothing but sitting ducks, and with the unattached Free Russia militia wing, it's akin to sending a false flag destroyer into the Gulf of Tonkin.  

but thats just me, I don't trust any side in this

[sahgwa]

but thats just me, I don't trust any side in this

No, not at all
And yeah I don't want any other humans on the ground in that mess between Slavic Brothers. 
EU needs to stop goading the money train and both Proxy Combatants need to put their money where their mouths are and go around collecting weapons once something is signed.  
First thing is surveillance.
They keep moving the goal posts. 
Hard to avoid war when people keep poking.

[Oldcarpy2]

The people can be whatever they want, as long as the shooting stops, right? Isn't that the whole point of a ceasefire?

And isn't the whole back and forth that you are engaging in, merely more evidence that third party monitoring and assistance in obtaining this ceasefire is needed?

Well, yes. Haven't I always been in favour of the latter, as has the UK ?

[sahgwa]

Well, yes. Haven't I always been in favour of the latter, as has the UK ?

'Your man' Kier was practically rabid in his excitement to put UK servicemen physically in Ukraine, but that was my subjective emotional reading of his previous announcements.  
To me any positing physical troops in the middle is just asking for more war; but I am wholly in favour of geospatial baby-sitting.