Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Oh never. And its just fueled on either side by profiteers and imperialists. 
Thats why we can't really rely on either of them to actually enact a ceasefire. We need some kind of physical third party presence at this point. As much as I hate to say that.  
It worked in Kosovo. 
I am hoping for physical surveillance over physical humans.

100% they need to find ways to monitor the situation without having 3rd party troops on the ground. 

I'd be wary of sending "peacekeepers" or whatever label you want to attach to foreign troops in Ukraine, they would be nothing but sitting ducks, and with the unattached Free Russia militia wing, it's akin to sending a false flag destroyer into the Gulf of Tonkin.  

but thats just me, I don't trust any side in this

[sahgwa]

but thats just me, I don't trust any side in this

No, not at all
And yeah I don't want any other humans on the ground in that mess between Slavic Brothers. 
EU needs to stop goading the money train and both Proxy Combatants need to put their money where their mouths are and go around collecting weapons once something is signed.  
First thing is surveillance.
They keep moving the goal posts. 
Hard to avoid war when people keep poking.

[Oldcarpy2]

The people can be whatever they want, as long as the shooting stops, right? Isn't that the whole point of a ceasefire?

And isn't the whole back and forth that you are engaging in, merely more evidence that third party monitoring and assistance in obtaining this ceasefire is needed?

Well, yes. Haven't I always been in favour of the latter, as has the UK ?

[sahgwa]

Well, yes. Haven't I always been in favour of the latter, as has the UK ?

'Your man' Kier was practically rabid in his excitement to put UK servicemen physically in Ukraine, but that was my subjective emotional reading of his previous announcements.  
To me any positing physical troops in the middle is just asking for more war; but I am wholly in favour of geospatial baby-sitting.

[Oldcarpy2]

'Your man' Kier was practically rabid in his excitement to put UK servicemen physically in Ukraine, but that was my subjective emotional reading of his previous announcements.  
To me any positing physical troops in the middle is just asking for more war; but I am wholly in favour of geospatial baby-sitting.

He's not my man.

[sahgwa]

'One day ago' News update blurbs.  More toddlerism he said she said he did it she did it :


1 day ago - Russian forces injured five people, damaged homes and a gas pipeline in attacks on the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson overnight on Wednesday.

5 hours ago -Kiev again violated US-backed energy ceasefire – Moscow (VIDEO) Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered that attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure stop on March 18, following a phone call with his US counterpart Donald Trump.

1 day ago - Kiev breaking energy ceasefire – Moscow On March 18, the Russian military was ordered to refrain from attacking Ukrainian energy infrastructure under a deal that was agreed upon by President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart

1 day ago - ​​​​​​​Ceasefire? What ceasefire? Killer Russian drones rain down across Ukraine – “And against this backdrop, speaking about easing pressure on Russia, lifting sanctions, and so on, is definitely inappropriate and unhelpful,” says Ukrainian leader Volodymyr

[quintessentone]

So, this is where we are now.

Putin is putting forth that the Ukrainian government be overthrown by a temporary U.N. adminstration.

Zelensky is putting forth that the Russian government be overthrown by a temporary U.N. adminstration.

Here we are, dealing with toddlers.

[Oldcarpy2]

As usual Sir Humphrey (from Brit comedy Yes Minister) is spot on about Europe. This is pre Brexit:

'Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Foreign Office is pro-Europe because it’s really anti-Europe. The civil service was united in its desire to make sure that the Common Market didn’t work. That’s why we went into it. Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, French and Italians against the Germans, and the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it’s worked so well?

Jim Hacker: It’s all ancient history, surely.

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn’t work. Now that we are inside, we can make a big pig’s breakfast of the whole thing! Set the Germans against the French, French against Italians, Italians against Dutch —The Foreign Office is terribly pleased! It’s just like old times!

Jim Hacker: Surely we are committed to the European ideal!

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Really, Minister!

Jim Hacker: If not, why are we pressing for an increase in membership?

Sir Humphrey Appleby: For the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact. The more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.

Jim Hacker: What appalling cynicism!

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes. We call it diplomacy, Minister."

[Maxmars]

As usual Sir Humphrey (from Brit comedy Yes Minister) is spot on about Europe. This is pre Brexit:

'Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Foreign Office is pro-Europe because it’s really anti-Europe. The civil service was united in its desire to make sure that the Common Market didn’t work. That’s why we went into it. Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, French and Italians against the Germans, and the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it’s worked so well?

Jim Hacker: It’s all ancient history, surely.

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn’t work. Now that we are inside, we can make a big pig’s breakfast of the whole thing! Set the Germans against the French, French against Italians, Italians against Dutch —The Foreign Office is terribly pleased! It’s just like old times!

Jim Hacker: Surely we are committed to the European ideal!

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Really, Minister!

Jim Hacker: If not, why are we pressing for an increase in membership?

Sir Humphrey Appleby: For the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact. The more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.

Jim Hacker: What appalling cynicism!

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes. We call it diplomacy, Minister."

Well, to that point....

This whole "End the war in Ukraine" as a virtuous declaration seems to have had little effect... all things considered.

So... they keep us disunited...  hmmm.  Where have I heard this before?

[Oldcarpy2]

"This whole "End the war in Ukraine" as a virtuous declaration seems to have had little effect... all things considered."

Possibly because Putin has absolutely no intention of ending it?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/do...d-34960182

"This week, a Russian negotiator warned that peace talks could drag into 2026, a direct contradiction to Trump’s stated aims on the war in Ukraine. “It would have been naive to expect any breakthroughs,” negotiator Grigory Karasin said to Russian state TV Channel Rossiya 24."

So there you have it.