Trump Executive Order okays incarceration of homeless

[baddmove]

Do ANY of you Liberals SEE any good in ANYTHING president Trump does?

I mean anything?

[andy06shake]

Are they in Labor Camps or extended homelessness like being suggested?  [Image: https://denyignorance.com//images/addsmi...gstars.gif]

A few of them were in prison at one point, so.............

And you should not wish to see anyone in "labor camps" of any sorts.

Unless you wish to see people's basic human rights and dignity taken away. 

Labour camps are a very slippery slope, and they achieve nothing more than to erode trust in society, promote fear, and undermine the values of freedom and human equality.

[andy06shake]

People with real genuine IDs can set the standards for busting the fake ID carriers and abusers. Go Figure.
If there were no real genuine IDs, how could somebody have a fake ID? 

What happens if you take the dog out and forget your wallet?

Maybe they should just tattoo a barcode on everyone's forehead and put RFID chips in the fingertips.

Problem solved.

Requiring ID to move around in a socalled free nation is just wrong imho.

Another very slippery slope that ultimately leads to overt totalitarianism.

[BeTheGoddess]

Do ANY of you Liberals SEE any good in ANYTHING president Trump does?

I mean anything?

NO

[xuenchen]

A few of them were in prison at one point, so.............

And you should not wish to see anyone in "labor camps" of any sorts.

Unless you wish to see people's basic human rights and dignity taken away. 

Labour camps are a very slippery slope, and they achieve nothing more than to erode trust in society, promote fear, and undermine the values of freedom and human equality.

Where did I say I wish to see people in labor camps?
Or were talking metaphorically ? 

[xuenchen]

What happens if you take the dog out and forget your wallet?

Maybe they should just tattoo a barcode on everyone's forehead and put RFID chips in the fingertips.

Problem solved.

Requiring ID to move around in a socalled free nation is just wrong imho.

Another very slippery slope that ultimately leads to overt totalitarianism.

So what justifies illegals committing crimes on innocent Citizens with little or no penalties  ? 

In order for criminals to commit crimes, an assemblance of order must already exist 

[EXETER]

Do ANY of you Liberals SEE any good in ANYTHING president Trump does?

I mean anything?

I consider myself a middle-of-the-roader and not extreme Liberal or Conservative.  Until Trump came along, I would vote for Repubs about half the time and Dems half the time.  But since Trump executed a hostile takeover  of the Republican Party and now is trying for a hostile takeover of the Nation, I can no longer do that.  Like many people, I didn't become more liberal, I believe the Republican Party moved so far right it's no longer in the habitable zone. Here's why I see very little good in Trump:

It starts with the fact that he has an extreme Narcissistic Personality.  I've come to realize over the last 10 years or so that he's been in politics that people without any formal Psychological training have no idea what that term means, so I usually have to explain it.  For this discussion, the single most important characteristic of a Narcissist is that they are basically incapable of of conventional moral reasoning.  All of the normal people that Trump brought into his administration in his first term say the same thing: he is totally amoral and transactional.  He doesn't make decisions based on an assessment of what is right or wrong in an ethical or moral sense, he makes decisions based on whether he can get something out of it for himself, or not.  That's why he totally avoids taking a position on which side is right in the Russia/Ukraine situation.  A couple of months ago he said something to the effect that he always tries to work both sides in a deal; that way, whichever side prevails, he can "win".  

So the thing about being amoral and transactional is that it determines what his motives are.  It defines the "what" that he is trying to accomplish.  It's pretty clear to me that what he's trying to accomplish is to make the USA into just another division of the Trump Organization. It will be managed in the same way--as an extension of his personality and staffed by individuals fiercely loyal to him personally, and operated for his personal benefit.  I have no desire to live in the United States of Trumplandia, so I don't see his agenda as something I can support.

Second is the fact that--beyond his motives--his intellectual capacity to manage a complex system like the United States is pathetically inadequate.  And this is not just a matter of IQ.  Based on the fact that he was able to get into Fordham University with perhaps a little covert help from hired test-takers, I would estimate that he probably had an IQ of maybe 110 or so, when he was younger.  That's not rocket scientist level, but it puts him in the top half of the IQ distribution.  The problem is that he has not used that IQ to acquire actual knowledge.  One of my favorite quotes from Trump supposedly appeared in his book, "Art of The Deal".  When it comes to making creative choices, he says, "I try to step back and remember my first shallow reaction. The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience."  

Just to be clear, "shallow" in this context means not having any knowledge about a subject beyond just superficial appearances.  He sees ignorance as a feature, not a bug, and has decided that ignorance is his superpower.  And he displays it all the time. When he tries to talk about Covid, he babbles on about injecting disinfectants and shining lights inside the body. When he talks about wildfires in California he babbles on about raking the forest floor because he claims to have heard about it from Finland's president, unaware of the fact that Finland's forests are Boreal because Finland is at or near the arctic circle, while California's forests are mostly Mediterranean.  When he talked about the fires in Los Angeles, he babbled on about releasing water into the aqueducts to get more water to Los Angeles to help fight the fires, unaware of the fact that the available Los Angeles reservoirs were already full and that the canals that the federal government controls in California aren't capable of delivering water directly to Los Angeles.  So he opens up the spillways for a couple of days on the dams that he does control and sends the water down into the Central Valley where it forms a big mud puddle known as Tulare Lake. All that water that was being saved for use by farmers during the summer was pissed away in January, when farmers couldn't possibly use it.  The idiocy is strong with this one. 

Having said all that, the one good thing I will give him credit for is starting Operation Warpspeed to start development of the mRNA vaccines.  
Whatever his motives might have been, I think he made the right decision there, even if the MAGA anti-vaxxers disagree.

[andy06shake]

So what justifies illegals committing crimes on innocent Citizens with little or no penalties  ? 

In order for criminals to commit crimes, an assemblance of order must already exist 

Ah, the classic myth, undocumented immigrants get a free pass to commit crimes.

Cute, but wrong.

Data from multiple studies show they commit crimes at lower rates than US born citizens.

And when they do offend, they face far severe consequences, including deportation.

Anyone committing crimes should face penalties.

As for your philosophical flourish, yes, crime requires order, like theft needs property.

But that doesn't justify crime, nor does it mean immigrants somehow create crime.

If you want to blame someone for crime, try looking at poverty and inequality not immigrants just trying to survive.

[cherokeetroy]

baddmove Wrote:Do ANY of you Liberals SEE any good in ANYTHING president Trump does?

I mean anything?


I voted for Trump one time

Once was enough 

He's proven himself to be part of the swamp

He's corrupted and can't be trusted


Maybe when Trump completely destroys the middle class...when all the retirement accounts are emptied and we get hit with mass layoffs due to automation...

People will have a different perspective on homelessness

[Vermilion]

Ah, the classic myth, undocumented immigrants get a free pass to commit crimes.

Cute, but wrong.

Data from multiple studies show they commit crimes at lower rates than US born citizens.

And when they do offend, they face far severe consequences, including deportation.

Anyone committing crimes should face penalties.

As for your philosophical flourish, yes, crime requires order, like theft needs property.

But that doesn't justify crime, nor does it mean immigrants somehow create crime.

If you want to blame someone for crime, try looking at poverty and inequality not immigrants just trying to survive.

Every illegal here is breaking the law.
If you’re here illegally, you’re committing a crime.
100% crime rate from the illegal community.
Self deportation is the proper move. (No crying)
Otherwise, it’s FAFO time.(lots of crying)

The money we save from wasting it on illegals is going to pay to help the homeless.
The Gavin newsome way obviously hasn’t worked.