Feds to take control of 2000 Cali National Guardsmen for anti ICE riots

[andy06shake]

You assume too much.
Illegals cost real Americans 150 billion dollars a year. 
 https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/hou...240508.pdf

They flood the schools with students who are uneducated, can't speak the language, take up resources.  Same with doctors and hospitals, receiving medical care and not paying and flooding emergency rooms across the country as the illegals use them as free primary care centers.   And the massive increase in law enforcement needed to police them.  They suck up more than they contribute.  Example - look at NYC using tax payer money to put illegals up in expensive hotels and give them free meals.

Many are criminals in their own countries and they continue their criminal operations here.

They do not 'play the game'.  If they did, they would have come here legally and waited their turn instead of being line jumpers.

A country can absorb just so many migrants at a time.  They are usually uneducated, can't speak the language, bring no skills, suck off the taxpayer, and fail to integrate socially and culturally.   If too many come in, it breaks a country financially AND culturally.   The illegals in these protests are out there flying their home country flags ... getting into the faces of all real Americans with them ... not integrating but instead taking over in the name of their own home (real) country.

Kick 'em ALL out.   They are ALL criminals.   
They can try to come in LEGALLY and they can wait their turn in line.

You obviously feel rather strongly about the matter.

But the claim that undocumented immigrants cost $150 billion ignores their tax contribution, which is over $30 billion annually.

Never mind their role in essential industries across your nation, including working in those hospitals, medical facilities, and hotels.  

Most dont qualify for your welfare, and studies show immigrants, legal or not, commit fewer crimes than your native-born citizens.

Emergency room use is legally required for all, and many of the poor sods, and undocumented, pay into Social Security they'll never receive.

Migrants historically revitalise economies and communities, and "Line-jumping" misrepresents asylum law, which allows legal entry.

Possibly worth consideration that people deserve to be judged as individuals, and on their own merits, not scapegoated as a group.

Broad generalisations are harmful, you see, if in doubt, look what happened to the Jews during the Second World War.

[andy06shake]

There's still injustice in people being here illegally though, even if they are contributing. 

Think of the exploitation they're open to on the passage here, and then once they have a job. They're not going to report an employer for unsafe work conditions, just look at some of the roofers.

Again, if people want to see the problem fixed, they have to go after the root issues, such as the massive amount of employers exclusively seeking illegals. They'll continue to come illegally so long as those opportunities exist. I think the easiest solution to that is visas, and going after people employing illegals as much as the people coming.

I get that, but by creating more root issues, in an area that doesn't want ICE, to be there in the first place, is apt to end poorly.

I dont think there are any easy solutions to be honest.

Who do you imagine they will go after when they are done with the so-called illegals?

Because it's pretty much guaranteed to be some other demographic that's frowned upon.

[CriticalStinker]

Who do you imagine they will go after when they are done with the so-called illegals?

Because it's pretty much guaranteed to be some other demographic that's frowned upon.

That's certainly a concern, especially with the actions against people here legally who merely spoke critically of Israel's government. 

There's also been a lot of legislation rewriting what speech is deemed antisemitic, which will unfortunately make the problem worse. If you tell people they can't say certain things, it only validates certain tropes they were already spreading.

[andy06shake]

That's certainly a concern, especially with the actions against people here legally who merely spoke critically of Israel's government. 

There's also been a lot of legislation rewriting what speech is deemed antisemitic, which will unfortunately make the problem worse. If you tell people they can't say certain things, it only validates certain tropes they were already spreading.

I just think it looks to be a rather slippery slope.

And history perfectly illustrates what can happen next.

As to the rest, i tend to agree, tell people they can't have something, and they are just going to want it more.

Same thing, slightly different wrapping paper i suppose.

The world is all about sales techniques in this day of age.

After all we are a product, with a number, and expiry date, whether we care to recognise the fact or not.

[BeyondKnowledge]

You obviously feel rather strongly about the matter.

But the claim that undocumented immigrants cost $150 billion ignores their tax contribution, which is over $30 billion annually.

Never mind their role in essential industries across your nation, including working in those hospitals, medical facilities, and hotels.  

Most dont qualify for your welfare, and studies show immigrants, legal or not, commit fewer crimes than your native-born citizens.

Emergency room use is legally required for all, and many of the poor sods, and undocumented, pay into Social Security they'll never receive.

Migrants historically revitalise economies and communities, and "Line-jumping" misrepresents asylum law, which allows legal entry.

Possibly worth consideration that people deserve to be judged as individuals, and on their own merits, not scapegoated as a group.

Broad generalisations are harmful, you see, if in doubt, look what happened to the Jews during the Second World War.

Who exactly are these "undocumented immigrants" you speak of? Don't you mean illegal aliens that have broke the law to get into the USA without doing it properly. 

They are not American citizens and therefore the constitution doesn't apply. The courts only need to determine they entered illegally to deport them.

[Oldcarpy2]

I get that, but by creating more root issues, in an area that doesn't want ICE, to be there in the first place, is apt to end poorly.

I dont think there are any easy solutions to be honest.

Who do you imagine they will go after when they are done with the so-called illegals?

Because it's pretty much guaranteed to be some other demographic that's frowned upon.

Deployment of the National Guard is a sledgehammer to crack a nut but it creates a useful precedent for Trump, a very dangerous one at that.

If he succeeds with his divisive rule, stirring up and inflaming unrest, it's a slippery slope to declaring Martial Law and then anyone will be fair game.

The Constitution and SCOTUS won't help the US, Trump considers himself above all that.

I hope Americans will wake up before it's too late, I really do.  But they seem to be sleepwalking into God only knows what.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Deployment of the National Guard is a sledgehammer to crack a nut but it creates a useful precedent for Trump, a very dangerous one at that.

If he succeeds with his divisive rule, stirring up and inflaming unrest, it's a slippery slope to declaring Martial Law and then anyone will be fair game.

The Constitution and SCOTUS won't help the US, Trump considers himself above all that.

I hope Americans will wake up before it's too late, I really do.  But they seem to be sleepwalking into God only knows what.

Had you rather let neighborhoods burn as has been allowed in the past. Local law enforcement has been ordered to allow the protests to get out of hand, beyond what they can stop. 

'Mostly peaceful' riots, looting, and arson need to be stopped before they start. They have gone beyond protests already in many instances.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Get this queued up now...
 
Needs the 2025 Update, and a slightly different caption. 

I'm sure it will be along eventually once more cities join trendsetting LA, though to be fair, LA always has a lower riot threshold.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Get this queued up now...
 
Needs the 2025 Update, and a slightly different caption. 

I'm sure it will be along eventually once more cities join trendsetting LA, though to be fair, LA always has a lower riot threshold.

And when past riots get totally out of control, innocents suffer.

[MonkMode]

Oh here is the thread.

National Guard, smoke from all around.