Feds to take control of 2000 Cali National Guardsmen for anti ICE riots

[putnam6]

I think the right is starting to forget how they won.

Americans voted Trump I’m thinking it would be better for the economy, and immigration.

Now, I’ll give you that the latter mentioned ties into this. The riot started because we were deporting people, which is fine. But you have to consider that sometimes how you go about something can lose broader support.

Federalizing the national guard, and then bringing in Marines to conduct policing isn’t a good look for the small government and states rights party. Adding fuel to the fire, it looks like the decision was over a political spat between the governor and president.

To make matters worse, the US may engage in another Middle East war. I would venture to guess you all can kiss away the midterms for congress, and that’s going to take away Trumps sweeping support in the government and pretty much bog down his momentum.

This is the problem with the “mandate” narrative both sides have won. It makes them cocky and willing to gamble on the worst policies while ignoring the most important. The last thing we need is the country being controlled by the left as they have no clear leader or platform.

We aren't hitting Iran yet, though they definitely are considering all options. Wasn't the green zone under missile attack recently?

Discord discussions include theories that Russia needs Iran, so does China, so it won't be easy to effect regime change

[SomeStupidName]

I think the right is starting to forget how they won.

Americans voted Trump I’m thinking it would be better for the economy, and immigration.

Now, I’ll give you that the latter mentioned ties into this. The riot started because we were deporting people, which is fine. But you have to consider that sometimes how you go about something can lose broader support.

Federalizing the national guard, and then bringing in Marines to conduct policing isn’t a good look for the small government and states rights party. Adding fuel to the fire, it looks like the decision was over a political spat between the governor and president.

To make matters worse, the US may engage in another Middle East war. I would venture to guess you all can kiss away the midterms for congress, and that’s going to take away Trumps sweeping support in the government and pretty much bog down his momentum.

This is the problem with the “mandate” narrative both sides have won. It makes them cocky and willing to gamble on the worst policies while ignoring the most important. The last thing we need is the country being controlled by the left as they have no clear leader or platform.

I disagree, I think because the military was called in these riots were smaller than the democrats wanted them to be. If your not doing anything illegal and just peacefully protesting you would have nothing to worry about and at the point the military would be there as your defense against the crazy radicals from the other view point, because every group has crazies. So Trump absolutely did the right thing in my opinion and anyone saying the opposite wants to brake laws to push agendas.

[CriticalStinker]

We aren't hitting Iran yet, though they definitely are considering all options. Wasn't the green zone under missile attack recently?

Discord discussions include theories that Russia needs Iran, so does China, so it won't be easy to effect regime change

All of our posturing certainly has me leaning that we do get involved, though I’d be thrilled to be wrong here.

Ive said, and will maintain if this is a quick skirmish we have no involvement in (aside from helping intercept barrages to Israel) I’d say it would be a victory.

I’ve heard that we have intercepted some drones near our positions, but I’m skeptical who those came from. There are a lot of actors over there, and while some may be aligned with Iran, I’m sure some of their motives differ. For a small outfit, striking a US position would be a good way to drag us into another war there. That’s basically what Bin Laden’s objective was, to get us bogged down in the ME and weaken us. To some degree, I believe that was successful.

While on an operational standpoint we were successful, and had small losses to our troops compared to other modern conflicts… It was shown that we acted in haste, with Iraq specifically, and took a hit for our global image. And while our losses were low, they were losses for nothing, and doesn’t account for the injured, neglected, and those who took their own life.

I fear most have forgotten how the drum up to Iraq happened. And I fear people are getting sucked into the same traps even domestically by celebrating any and all deployment of the troops. I even see the same “logic” being reused, like people saying protesting during the parade was dishonorable to the troops while at the same time agreeing we should get involved in another war. Sometimes supporting the troops is advocating against war IMO.

[CriticalStinker]

I disagree, I think because the military was called in these riots were smaller than the democrats wanted them to be. If your not doing anything illegal and just peacefully protesting you would have nothing to worry about and at the point the military would be there as your defense against the crazy radicals from the other view point, because every group has crazies. So Trump absolutely did the right thing in my opinion and anyone saying the opposite wants to brake laws to push agendas.

I’m all for people committing crimes going to jail and getting charged.

Where I differ, is whether or not the National Guard and or Marines are needed for that.

the LAPD seemed more than capable to keep things contained to a small area. It doesn’t look like they were wearing kid gloves either.

Calling in the Marines seemed overkill, and a questionable decision. The National Guard is trained on emergency response as it’s a large part of their directive. The Marines have almost a sole purpose of tip of the spear warfare. Using them to police domestically was a big escalation considering this riot was rather small compared to many in even recent past.

Personally, it looked like Trump was testing the waters for how he can invoke executive power. I think it’s a dangerous gamble and precedent, with little that would benefit us the people. Even if you trust Trump, you do realize all of this precedent remains, right? President is no longer legally liable for their decisions in office, executive powers are expanding by the day, so what happens when it’s a guy people don’t like there? 

It’s just like when many of us protested the Patriot Act and surveillance escalations. People said if you don’t have anything to hide it won’t matter, then it became clear it was being used on citizens unrelated to terrorism. Hell, they spied on Trump for political reasons. I just don’t think people have learned anything from our mistakes the last few decades. We voted explicitly to reverse some of the bad things previous administrations did only to celebrate when Trump repeats them.

[putnam6]

All of our posturing certainly has me leaning that we do get involved, though I’d be thrilled to be wrong here.

Ive said, and will maintain if this is a quick skirmish we have no involvement in (aside from helping intercept barrages to Israel) I’d say it would be a victory.

I’ve heard that we have intercepted some drones near our positions, but I’m skeptical who those came from. There are a lot of actors over there, and while some may be aligned with Iran, I’m sure some of their motives differ. For a small outfit, striking a US position would be a good way to drag us into another war there. That’s basically what Bin Laden’s objective was, to get us bogged down in the ME and weaken us. To some degree, I believe that was successful.

While on an operational standpoint we were successful, and had small losses to our troops compared to other modern conflicts… It was shown that we acted in haste, with Iraq specifically, and took a hit for our global image. And while our losses were low, they were losses for nothing, and doesn’t account for the injured, neglected, and those who took their own life.

I fear most have forgotten how the drum up to Iraq happened. And I fear people are getting sucked into the same traps even domestically by celebrating any and all deployment of the troops. I even see the same “logic” being reused, like people saying protesting during the parade was dishonorable to the troops while at the same time agreeing we should get involved in another war. Sometimes supporting the troops is advocating against war IMO.

 Iran, I don't think Uncle Sam flies yet, it feels like Iran is teetering as it is, and if we do, there's intelligence that something else is up. You don't do this is you are about to get involved, speaking of shit Trump does that irritates me
post like this are so lame, but perhaps thats the method to his madness. Can you imagine Iran's remaining leaders reading this while Tehran is being hit? All it might take is let them find exile somewhere in Russia

Most Americans don't know what Trump's going to do, either, certainly I don't, but there is a  "huge" side of me that loathes the political drama and procedures and yet I love watching it all unfold in real time.





I could see Trump trying to call off Israel, and give Iran to Putin to rebuild, and hope to get some real, tangible concessions in Ukraine. There's so much money to be made in rebuilding countries, the worldwide MIC complex has destroyed, Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, the rebuilding contracts just need to be parcelled out.

America's military does great when it's a get-in in get-out, quick and dirty wham bam thank you ma'am. Anything more than 2 years, like Afghanistan and Iraq, becomes mired down, the WMD, and Haliburton become household names. TPTB and the MIC took advantage of the patriotic fervor and milked it for everything it's worth, it's why when people here say you are Republican no I am Independent, that was my great awakening.

They improved on the scam in Ukraine; all they had to do was whip up the peaceniks on the left, and then RINOS
and the connected left made bank just like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Whether a conflict happens organically or is manipulated, those connected politicians are usually enriched by its occurrence.

Doesn't mean there aren't politicians of character on both sides, but that block of old guard Democrats and the RINOs and a few other Republicans can push through almost legislation they want, as they can control the others, as they won't support thier bills and initiatives.

 

sorry for the rant a bit distracted

[CriticalStinker]

 Iran, I don't think Uncle Sam flies yet, it feels like Iran is teetering as it is, and if we do, there's intelligence that something else is up.

I could see Trump trying to call off Israel, and give Iran to Putin to rebuild, and hope to get some real, tangible concessions in Ukraine. There's so much money to be made in rebuilding countries, the worldwide MIC complex has destroyed, Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, the rebuilding contracts just need to be parcelled out.

America's military does great when it's a get-in in get-out, quick and dirty wham bam thank you ma'am. Anything more than 2 years, like Afghanistan and Iraq, becomes mired down, the WMD, and Haliburton become household names. TPTB and the MIC took advantage of the patriotic fervor and milked it for everything it's worth, it's why when people here say you are Republican no I am Independent, that was my great awakening.

They improved on the scam in Ukraine; all they had to do was whip up the peaceniks on the left, and then RINOS
and the connected left made bank just like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Whether a conflict happens organically or is manipulated, those connected politicians are usually enriched by its occurrence.

Doesn't mean there aren't politicians of character on both sides, but that block of old guard Democrats and the RINOs and a few other Republicans can push through almost legislation they want, as they can control the others, as they won't support thier bills and initiatives.

 

sorry for the rant a bit distracted

Iran certainly looks week, and days away from falling, but the same can be said for Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, and I’m sure I’m missing others.

I know it can be possible like Desert Storm, but I’m very skeptical given the recent track records of not just us, but many great nations underestimating their opponents.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Calling in the Marines seemed overkill, and a questionable decision. The National Guard is trained on emergency response as it’s a large part of their directive. The Marines have almost a sole purpose of tip of the spear warfare. Using them to police domestically was a big escalation considering this riot was rather small compared to many in even recent past.

Have you considered that the response to the riots stopped them from growing. It may look bad to some but saved lives and property instead of letting it speead as some of the past riots were allowed to.

[putnam6]

Iran certainly looks week, and days away from falling, but the same can be said for Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, and I’m sure I’m missing others.

I know it can be possible like Desert Storm, but I’m very skeptical given the recent track records of not just us, but many great nations underestimating their opponents.

The best move is to pressure for internal regime change, no other country wants to control Iran, they just want thier resources and/or to be able to sell weapons to them. 

Iranians GP is ready hopefully

[CriticalStinker]

Have you considered that the response to the riots stopped them from growing. It may look bad to some but saved lives and property instead of letting it speead as some of the past riots were allowed to.

I think it’s impossible to say. The riot never really grew past a couple of blocks.

Who knows, I know that’s the narrative Trump used, but alas, that’s what politicians do. Say every decision they made saved the day.

[putnam6]

I think it’s impossible to say. The riot never really grew past a couple of blocks.

Who knows, I know that’s the narrative Trump used, but alas, that’s what politicians do. Say every decision they made saved the day.

 I watched the all of the rioting day one, they were at the loading ramp banging on the door and already beat the shit out of the outside, he couldn't risk them getting inside the FEDERAL ICE building for several legit reasons on top of the blackeye if it happened on his watch.



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