Feds to take control of 2000 Cali National Guardsmen for anti ICE riots

[Oldcarpy2]

FlyersFan wrote:

"The left wing in America loves this. And apparently anti-Trump foreigners as well. Luv'n having American cities riot and loot and burn down, all to support their political position which is destructive to America."


No.

That is not my position, at all.

Please don't misrepresent what I actually wrote.

I am in favour of the rule of law (hence why I prosecute offenders) but it is Trump who considers himself above the law and the Constitution, which I have legitimate concerns about.

[andy06shake]

Nope.  I'm stating a fact.  20 million people are ILLEGAL ALIENS.  Line jumpers.   Law breakers.  Criminals.  Engaged in an invasion. 

That's not 'demonizing' .. that's stating the truth.  

Trying to downplay it and call them 'undocumented' doesn't change the truth of that.

And playing the Hitler card is weak.   

Internet rules - When ever anyone plays that ... they have already lost.

And can you provide actual evidence to support these ""facts""? 

Calling an entire group criminals and implying an invasion is indeed dehumanising, whether you care to recognise that fact or otherwise.

And labeling them as criminals is wrong, because it's not a criminal offense, it's a civil offense, that's just your law. 

As to the Adolf Hitler comparison, well, if the cap fits, I'm afraid. 

Again, it sounds exactly like the same rhetoric he had towards the Jews.

Your right-wing "internet rules" not mine.

Dont agree with you on this one flyersFan.

Sorry, but it is what it is, and that's reminiscent of 1930 Germany.

Which is simply not a good look for the USA imho.

[FlyersFan]

I am in favour of the rule of law ...

The law says that the feds and the states both control the National Guard, and that the Feds can call them out when deemed necessary.  The fact that the governor and the mayor refuse to enforce the law to protect Americans thus putting Americans in danger, and that they are actively encouraging lawbreaking against the federal agents who are legally doing their jobs, is enough to warrant the feds calling in the troops.

There is no reason to sit back and watch cities being looted, burned down, and federal law enforcement being attacked ... when the feds can easily take control of the situation and squelch it before it turns into the George Floyd Riots II situation.

Call out the troops.  I'm all for it.

[FlyersFan]

And can you provide actual evidence to support these ""facts""? 

Comeon.  They are here illegally.  That makes them ILLEGAL ALIENS.  
They are line jumpers who do not obey the law of the land right from the start.
Criminals.  

Every
Last 
One

As for playing the Hitler card ... this isn't a 'right wing' rule.  It's basic internet understanding.  And it's an automatic loser.   Sorry.   But that's the way it goes.

Easily googled ...  Reductio ad Hitlerum, also known as playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else's argument on the basis that the same idea was promoted or practised by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. 

The American federal government protecting Americans from active riots, looting, and arson isn't 'Hitleresque'.  Not even remotely.

[andy06shake]

Comeon.  They are here illegally.  That makes them ILLEGAL ALIENS.  
They are line jumpers who do not obey the law of the land right from the start.
Criminals.  

Every
Last 
One

As for playing the Hitler card ... this isn't a 'right wing' rule.  It's basic internet understanding.  And it's an automatic loser.   Sorry.   But that's the way it goes.

Easily googled ...  Reductio ad Hitlerum, also known as playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else's argument on the basis that the same idea was promoted or practised by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. 

The American federal government protecting Americans from active riots, looting, and arson isn't 'Hitleresque'.  Not even remotely.

It does not make them criminals if they dont commit any criminal offence, again, that's just your law.

You will simply have to deal with the facts.

And calling them all criminals, thus lumping them into the same boat, is dehumanizing, no two ways about it.

Again, your rhetoric echoes authoritarian propaganda, the same type of propaganda Adolf Hitler was famous for employing.

It is what it is.

I think it will all end in tears, and not just those of the illegal alien sorts.

[putnam6]

You assume too much.
Illegals cost real Americans 150 billion dollars a year. 
 https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/hou...240508.pdf

They flood the schools with students who are uneducated, can't speak the language, take up resources.  Same with doctors and hospitals, receiving medical care and not paying and flooding emergency rooms across the country as the illegals use them as free primary care centers.   And the massive increase in law enforcement needed to police them.  They suck up more than they contribute.  Example - look at NYC using tax payer money to put illegals up in expensive hotels and give them free meals.

Many are criminals in their own countries and they continue their criminal operations here.

They do not 'play the game'.  If they did, they would have come here legally and waited their turn instead of being line jumpers.

A country can absorb just so many migrants at a time.  They are usually uneducated, can't speak the language, bring no skills, suck off the taxpayer, and fail to integrate socially and culturally.   If too many come in, it breaks a country financially AND culturally.   The illegals in these protests are out there flying their home country flags ... getting into the faces of all real Americans with them ... not integrating but instead taking over in the name of their own home (real) country.

Kick 'em ALL out.   They are ALL criminals.   
They can try to come in LEGALLY and they can wait their turn in line.

Quoted because it needs to be read over and over

If some want different laws on immigration, elect officials who agree; those seem to be the established protocols.

Every Country has laws against entering the country outside the established points of entry. 

So good damn luck with that....


 Crossing into Mexico at a non-designated entry point is generally considered illegal. According to Mexican immigration law, individuals must enter the country through official ports of entry, where they can be processed by immigration authorities. Unauthorized entry, such as crossing the border at an undesignated location, can be treated as a violation of Mexico's General Law of Population, Migration, and Interculturality (Ley General de Población, Migración e Interculturalidad).
Penalties for illegal entry may include fines, detention, or deportation, depending on the circumstances and the discretion of Mexican authorities. The U.S. Department of State and Mexico's National Migration Institute (Instituto Nacional de Migración, or INM) both emphasize that travelers should use official border crossings and carry proper documentation, such as a passport and, if required, a visa or entry permit.
If you're planning to travel to Mexico, always use a designated port of entry and ensure you have the necessary documents. For specific legal advice or details on your situation, consult an immigration attorney or contact the nearest Mexican consulate.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Comeon.  They are here illegally.  That makes them ILLEGAL ALIENS.  
They are line jumpers who do not obey the law of the land right from the start.
Criminals.  

Every
Last 
One

As for playing the Hitler card ... this isn't a 'right wing' rule.  It's basic internet understanding.  And it's an automatic loser.   Sorry.   But that's the way it goes.

Easily googled ...  Reductio ad Hitlerum, also known as playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else's argument on the basis that the same idea was promoted or practised by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. 

The American federal government protecting Americans from active riots, looting, and arson isn't ence 'Hitleresque'.  Not even remotely."

Nothing wrong with heeding warnings from history.  I believe it is to be encouraged.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Here is the legal basis for deploying the National Guard:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406


"Whenever—(1)the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;(2)there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or(3)the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia."

Like I say, a slippery slope.  And you are on it.

What part of what you quoted  do you not inderstand? Did you read it?

The national guard is being deployed because of the laws being broken as the local law enforcement has been ordered to ignore this. They are not there to round up the illegal aliens, just stop the rioters.

[FlyersFan]

It does not make them criminals if they dont commit any criminal offence, again, that's just your law.

Crossing the border illegally, being here without a valid visa, those are crimes ... thus they are criminals.

As for the rest ... back to the internet rule for forums -  InterReductio ad Hitlerum, also known as playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else's argument on the basis that the same idea was promoted or practised by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party.

[Oldcarpy2]

BeyondKnowledge  wrote:

"What part of what you quoted do you not inderstand? Did you read it?".

I understand it very well.  And yes, I did read it.