England; Two arrested after multiple people stabbed

[Vermilion]

Clearly people need to learn martial arts.

You got a loicense for those hands mate?

[UltraBudgie]

It is sad.

This is the country that invented the scrum?

[andy06shake]

Clearly people need to learn martial arts.

I'm inclined to believe people should be able to travel on trains and public transport in peace without having to learn martial arts or being stabbed by raving lunatics.

Then again, it's prudent to learn self-defense. 

But look at the 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee who was stabbed to death on a Charlotte train.

It can happen anywhere if some raging lunatic happens to wish to kick off.

I suppose we should be thankful it did not happen on a plane. 

Considering what two people armed only with box cutters managed to achieve.

Shame none of those poor passengers seemed to have known any martial arts.

[quintessentone]

I'm inclined to believe people should be able to travel on trains and public transport in peace without having to learn martial arts or being stabbed by raving lunatics.

Then again, it's prudent to learn self-defense. 

But look at the 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee who was stabbed to death on a Charlotte train.

It can happen anywhere if some raging lunatic happens to wish to kick off.

I suppose we should be thankful it did not happen on a plane. 

Considering what two people armed only with box cutters managed to achieve.

Shame none of those poor passengers seemed to have known any martial arts.

I doubt martial arts would have helped in any way because the scum were stabbing and moving fast from what has been said on this thread - nobody saw it coming - nobody had a chance to protect themselves in any way. Bystanders probably didn't know what was going on (?) - when or if they did realize it, the scum were long gone (?)

What can be done?

Metal detectors installation anywhere people are en masse, like the casino I go to. Metal detectors installed and no purses/bags allowed, but they searched my bag thoroughly and I was fine with that. Point is, I feel safer with those safeguards in place, especially in a casino where people's emotions can get out of control when losing.

Law enforcement positioned on trains, buses etc (?) - could they have acted any faster or knew what was going on with training (?) on this type of situation (scum stabbing and moving fast)?

It may come to be that stab-proof clothing may become necessary and/or popular in the future, if this sort of violence ramps up. I know if I had to ride the train/bus every day, I'd be wearing it.

[SurferSoul]

 

Martial arts is so much more than self defence, everyone can benefit from Tai Chi even with mild disabilities. It’s actually more about cultivating a state of mind as well as physical training. If people didn’t panic a loose their minds they would fare ten times better. Fact. 
Even Cicero benefited a great deal from physical training. If someone carrying a briefcase only knew it was an excellent shield against a knife and also a weapon in the right hands. 

As for the box cutters 9/11 reference I have a hard time believing any of it, to many discrepancies when you look into it. The only way they could have pulled that plane hijack off is if one of them held the blade to someone’s throat while the others calmed the passenger’s that they would be ok if their demands were met. Any resistance would result in a cut throat and death of the passenger. Not we are going to fly this plane into a building you’re all going to die. 

Still much easier to deal with a raging nutter than a premeditated organised attack of any kind.

[andy06shake]

I doubt martial arts would have helped in any way because the scum were stabbing and moving fast from what has been said on this thread - nobody saw it coming - nobody had a chance to protect themselves in any way. Bystanders probably didn't know what was going on (?) - when or if they did realize it, the scum were long gone (?)

What can be done?

Metal detectors installation anywhere people are en masse, like the casino I go to. Metal detectors installed and no purses/bags allowed, but they searched my bag thoroughly and I was fine with that. Point is, I feel safer with those safeguards in place, especially in a casino where people's emotions can get out of control when losing.

Law enforcement positioned on trains, buses etc (?) - could they have acted any faster or knew what was going on with training (?) on this type of situation (scum stabbing and moving fast)?

It may come to be that stab-proof clothing may become necessary and/or popular in the future, if this sort of violence ramps up. I know if I had to ride the train/bus every day, I'd be wearing it.

I doubt martial arts would have helped much myself, still a good skill to learn all the same.

As to the rest of those suggestions, they are not really going to be viable on the likes of trains and buses.

Simply down to the volume of passengers that utilize public transport, as it would slow it to a standstill at certain times of the day. 

Police were in attendance and had the perp in custody 8 minutes after they received the 999 call.

I can't see how they could have acted any faster if im honest. 

What they could have done is apprehend the clown earlier in the day regarding the other attempted murder he had allegedly committed.

As to the stab-proof clothing idea, merit in the notion as some weans would wear that as fashion these days, but think of the price increase in clothing?

Then you would get the idiots wanting to test the premise of their new suit of armour....

[andy06shake]

Martial arts is so much more than self defence, everyone can benefit from Tai Chi even with mild disabilities. It’s actually more about cultivating a state of mind as well as physical training. If people didn’t panic a loose their minds they would fare ten times better. Fact. 
Even Cicero benefited a great deal from physical training. If someone carrying a briefcase only knew it was an excellent shield against a knife and also a weapon in the right hands. 

As for the box cutters 9/11 reference I have a hard time believing any of it, to many discrepancies when you look into it. The only way they could have pulled that plane hijack off is if one of them held the blade to someone’s throat while the others calmed the passenger’s that they would be ok if their demands were met. Any resistance would result in a cut throat and death of the passenger. Not we are going to fly this plane into a building you’re all going to die. 

Still much easier to deal with a raging nutter than a premeditated organised attack of any kind.

I kind of agree with martial arts being much more than self-defence.

But it's simply not a viable option that everyone learns self-defense techniques so they can utilize public transportation.

Ever tried to take on anyone with a knife Surfer?

I have, and luckily i won, but i also got a nasty gash on my forearm and a slash on my shoulder to the tune of a right good few stitches.   

God bless the can of Fanta, that was at hand, that i managed to beat the fool senseless with.   

It's not something i would recommend the average Joe should attempt, and i was a lot younger at the time. 

As to the ease of dealing with a raging nutters, that depends on the situation, never mind the raging nutter in question.

If someone has a knife, it's best to travel in the other direction, same with any weapon, if you are unarmed, if we are honest.  

Could the people on the train have done more, possibly, but do you imagine they really had time to think or formulate a plan of attack?

Probably not would be my thinking on the matter. 

Fight or flight kicks in for a start.

And those poor people are simply wishing to get home to their dinner. 

They are rather unprepared to start dancing with knife-wielding maniacs in confined spaces....

[SurferSoul]

I doubt martial arts would have helped in any way because the scum were stabbing and moving fast from what has been said on this thread - nobody saw it coming - nobody had a chance to protect themselves in any way. Bystanders probably didn't know what was going on (?) - when or if they did realize it, the scum were long gone (?)

A similar thing happened in my town outside a pub, long before the police got there 4 lads decided to tackle the knife attacker and went on to beat the shit out of him. If not he would have injured many or even killed someone. Yeah they got carried away with the beating part but they made sure he was incapable of harming anyone else that evening. 

I think the social engineering that has gone on has made people soft by design except for a very small percentage, most people younger than me don’t grow up with any real physical life skills, there is no ruff and tumble in most playgrounds, kids a mollycoddled by parents and teachers alike. I don’t see any kids climbing trees these days, building swings etc.. if they don’t even barely get dirty if they do ever leave their rooms to play out. 

Then we need to ask ourselves why we barely ever heard of these nutters attacking random strangers back in the day?

[UltraBudgie]

Police were in attendance and had the perp in custody 8 minutes after they received the 999 call.

I can't see how they could have acted any faster if im honest. 

What they could have done is apprehend the clown earlier in the day regarding the other attempted murder he had allegedly committed.

From the Daily Mail:

This is the moment a man believed to be the Huntingdon train attack suspect stormed into a Peterborough barber shop with a knife - as police investigate whether he stabbed a 14-year-old boy minutes before.

Anthony Williams, 32, of Peterborough, appeared at Peterborough magistrates' court today charged with 11 counts of attempted murder in connection with a knife attack on board an LNER train and another in east London on November 1.

CCTV footage exclusively obtained by the Daily Mail allegedly shows a man believed to be Williams entering Ritzy Barbers, in Fletton, Peterborough, on Friday evening at 7.14pm - minutes after police were called to the stabbing of a 14-year-old in the city centre.

Barber shop staff then called police around 90 minutes after he left - but Cambridgeshire Constabulary did not send officers, instead asking the shop to upload CCTV online.

Barber Cody Greene, 23, told the Daily Mail the same man returned to the shop at 9.25am on Saturday November 1. Police were called again, but by the time they arrived the man had left.

This happened around 10 hours before prosecutors allege Anthony Williams began his train rampage, and more than eight hours after the 32-year-old allegedly stabbed a man at a Docklands Light Railway (DLR) station in the capital early that morning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...train.html

Yeah they've got some explaining to do.

[quintessentone]

A similar thing happened in my town outside a pub, long before the police got there 4 lads decided to tackle the knife attacker and went on to beat the shit out of him. If not he would have injured many or even killed someone. Yeah they got carried away with the beating part but they made sure he was incapable of harming anyone else that evening. 

I think the social engineering that has gone on has made people soft by design except for a very small percentage, most people younger than me don’t grow up with any real physical life skills, there is no ruff and tumble in most playgrounds, kids a mollycoddled by parents and teachers alike. I don’t see any kids climbing trees these days, building swings etc.. if they don’t even barely get dirty if they do ever leave their rooms to play out. 

Then we need to ask ourselves why we barely ever heard of these nutters attacking random strangers back in the day?

What comes to mind about the ruff and tumble in the playground also includes bullying and gang bullying and beatings. That sort of thing can send someone off the rails to commit extreme violence too.

Today's kids are not yesterday's kids, today they learn critical thinking skills and emotional control, of course, some kids have to contend with all sorts of trauma in their orbit including at home.

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"When we think of individuals who resort to stabbing, it’s tempting to paint them all with the same broad brush of “violent criminal.” However, the reality is far more nuanced and complex. While there’s no one-size-fits-all profile for a stabber, certain personality traits and psychological factors often come into play.
 One common thread among many individuals who commit stabbing offenses is a history of impulsivity and poor anger management. These aren’t just people who get a little hot under the collar; we’re talking about individuals who struggle mightily to keep their emotions in check, especially when it comes to rage. It’s as if their internal thermostat is broken, and the slightest provocation can send them into a boiling frenzy."

"But impulsivity and anger aren’t the whole story. Many stabbers also exhibit traits associated with antisocial personality disorder, such as a lack of empathy, disregard for social norms, and a tendency to manipulate others. It’s a toxic cocktail of personality traits that can make violence seem like a viable solution to conflicts or perceived slights.Childhood experiences play a crucial role in shaping these psychological profiles. Many individuals who resort to stabbing have histories of abuse, neglect, or exposure to violence during their formative years. These early traumas can rewire the brain, altering how a person perceives and responds to threats, real or imagined. It’s a stark reminder that violence often begets violence, creating a cycle that can be difficult to break.
Mental health conditions also factor heavily into the equation. Conditions such as borderline personality disorder, characterized by intense and unstable emotions, can increase the risk of violent outbursts. Similarly, individuals with paranoid schizophrenia may experience delusions that lead them to perceive threats where none exist, potentially triggering a violent response."


Unraveling the Psychology Behind Stabbing Incidents