England; Two arrested after multiple people stabbed

[andy06shake]

From the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...train.html

Yeah they've got some explaining to do.

Quite a bit i should imagine, and then some.

But I'm still inclined to doff my cap to the officers who promptly attended the train attack within 8 minutes of the 999 call. 

Same with the driver who called it in and requested the unscheduled stop at the station. 

It would have been a different shift after 10 hours, and most likely a different unit that responded.

Credit where credit is due, and vice versa with criticism, i say.

That mob(Police) has always been a hit or miss affair.

[SurferSoul]

@ Andy 

The point of martial arts taught properly is to overcome the fight or flight instinct, to train people to think before acting even just a little, better still to train the correct action to come about instinctively. I read that people were trampling over others in their panic to get away, utterly pathetic, far better to use those cowering idiots on the floor as human shields! lol sorry couldn’t help it, seriously though thankfully I’ve learnt the hard way panic is absolute worst emotion in any survival situation. You must calm yourself, even attempt to relax and think. All in an instant but time strangely expands in those situations so you can make quick decisions. Training helps immensely and there is also a sense of accomplishment and self confidence that comes with such training. It would benefit everyone I have no doubt about it. 

People should also carry pepper spray with them at all times. 

Also Quint claimed the attacker was moving quickly, how does anyone move quickly on a crowed train? Nope people panicked and caused more panic. 

Thankfully I have never faced someone with a knife, but I have someone with a broken bottle, a red brick and a baseball bat. I felt the most fear with the red brick as he was ready to lob it at me with both hands up close and I knew he would do it but I actually talked him off. The baseball batter swung wildly but I dodged and shot in with a bear hug into headlock before he got a second chance. The bottle guy was just bluffing I think, that was in a night club and the bouncers threw me out not him! 
Even though I felt utterly humiliated by the red brick guy who was physically weaker than me I realised much later it was the smart thing to do, talking him down by appealing to his ego and making him feel tough. 
violence is the last resort of idiots true enough but it’s handy to have at least some fighting skills/ability even if only for one’s self esteem/confidence and certainly if there is a definite immediate danger of attack.

[SurferSoul]

 

All that gumf you posted there in your last reply I figured out as an older child. None of it has anything to do with the rise of mass attacks on complete strangers with weapons of some sort. 
Though psychopathy of some sort does come into play it’s not the whole picture. Something else is at play in these cases.

[quintessentone]

@ Andy 

The point of martial arts taught properly is to overcome the fight or flight instinct, to train people to think before acting even just a little, better still to train the correct action to come about instinctively. I read that people were trampling over others in their panic to get away, utterly pathetic, far better to use those cowering idiots on the floor as human shields! lol sorry couldn’t help it, seriously though thankfully I’ve learnt the hard way panic is absolute worst emotion in any survival situation. You must calm yourself, even attempt to relax and think. All in an instant but time strangely expands in those situations so you can make quick decisions. Training helps immensely and there is also a sense of accomplishment and self confidence that comes with such training. It would benefit everyone I have no doubt about it. 

People should also carry pepper spray with them at all times. 

Also Quint claimed the attacker was moving quickly, how does anyone move quickly on a crowed train? Nope people panicked and caused more panic. 

Thankfully I have never faced someone with a knife, but I have someone with a broken bottle, a red brick and a baseball bat. I felt the most fear with the red brick as he was ready to lob it at me with both hands up close and I knew he would do it but I actually talked him off. The baseball batter swung wildly but I dodged and shot in with a bear hug into headlock before he got a second chance. The bottle guy was just bluffing I think, that was in a night club and the bouncers threw me out not him! 
Even though I felt utterly humiliated by the red brick who was physically weaker than me I realised much later it was the smart thing to do, talking him down by appealing to his ego and making him feel tough. 
violence is the last resort of idiots true enough but it’s handy to have at least some fighting skills/ability even if only for one’s self esteem confidence and certainly if there is a definite immediate danger of attack.

I wouldn't call those people cowards, they were unprotected, nowhere to flee for protection, didn't know how many stabbers there were or if the person next to them was the stabber - of course panic would set in in that specific situation in that train car - they were trapped.

I was just speculating if the stabbers were moving quickly, they were stabbing and moving apparently and how in the hell can anyone get a handle on what was going on with everything going on the way it did? I mean if the stabbers were standing still and just stabbing in all directions, then people may realize quicker what was going on and then maybe they could have been taken down.

Don't be so quick to judge.

[SurferSoul]

I wouldn't call those people cowards, they were unprotected, nowhere to flee for protection, didn't know how many stabbers there were or if the person next to them was the stabber - of course panic would set in in that specific situation in that train car - they were trapped.

I was just speculating if the stabbers were moving quickly, they were stabbing and moving apparently and how in the hell can anyone get a handle on what was going on with everything going on the way it did? I mean if the stabbers were standing still and just stabbing in all directions, then people may realize quicker what was going on and then maybe they could have been taken down.

Don't be so quick to judge.

I didn’t call anyone cowards except in jest, I merely pointed out, correctly I might add panic is the worst thing. You have no more idea of the exact circumstances than I do, but at least I have life experience enough to be able to visualise the event. I can clearly see the panic inevitably followed by chaos, people pushing and trampling others to get out of the way, as described in the report. If just one person would have taken a defensive position, used whatever was at hand to throw at the attacker, one or two others would have done the same and the attacker would quickly have been overwhelmed. 

I know from experience not some google query.

[Moon68]

"When the shit is hitting the fan, find the person that is keeping their calm and follow them because they're fixing to unfuck the situation"- Moon68

[SurferSoul]

Also the worst bullying isn’t physical violence but mental/emotional abuse, constant defamation, nasty jokes, lies a demoralising someone breaks a person quicker and more effectively than any beatings.

[quintessentone]

I didn’t call anyone cowards except in jest, I merely pointed out, correctly I might add panic is the worst thing. You have no more idea of the exact circumstances than I do, but at least I have life experience enough to be able to visualise the event. I can clearly see the panic inevitably followed by chaos, people pushing and trampling others to get out of the way, as described in the report. If just one person would have taken a defensive position, used whatever was at hand to throw at the attacker, one or two others would have done the same and the attacker would quickly have been overwhelmed. 

I know from experience not some google query.

That's right, you and I both have no experience with this specific harrowing experience. BTW, nobody can see your facial expressions to know when you are posting whether or not you are in jest or not.

[SurferSoul]

That's right, you and I both have no experience with this specific harrowing experience. BTW, nobody can see your facial expressions to know when you are posting whether or not you are in jest or not.

These were my exact words Quint, no facial expressions needed.

”I read that people were trampling over others in their panic to get away, utterly pathetic, far better to use those cowering idiots on the floor as human shields! lol sorry couldn’t help it, seriously though thankfully I’ve learnt the hard way panic is absolute worst emotion in any survival situation.”

I also didn’t say I had no experience with this specific harrowing experience. All I said is I wasn’t there, not the same as you put it. Always quote someone if that’s you're intent, if paraphrasing you should state so.

After all you have no clue about my previous top secret special forces training, even I was programmed to forget all about it… ;)

[quintessentone]

These were my exact words Quint, no facial expressions needed.

”I read that people were trampling over others in their panic to get away, utterly pathetic, far better to use those cowering idiots on the floor as human shields! lol sorry couldn’t help it, seriously though thankfully I’ve learnt the hard way panic is absolute worst emotion in any survival situation.”

I also didn’t say I had no experience with this specific harrowing experience. All I said is I wasn’t there, not the same as you put it. Always quote someone if that’s you're intent, if paraphrasing you should state so.

After all you have no clue about my previous top secret special forces training, even I was programmed to forget all about it… ;)

Well you did say you never faced anyone with a knife but had faced threats with other weapons, well none of these people faced their attacker because the stabber stabbed then moved on. No facetime there at all, so it does not equate to any your experiences IMO. Then the realization of what was happening and everyone trapped and nowhere to go. 

I'm not asking about your previous training, nor does it have any bearing on what happened here as I was trying to point out to you. Maybe we will hear from some of the victims with various training as to why nothing could have been done under these circumstances.