Driver drives into crowd in Liverpool City Centre in England

[Oldcarpy2]

Seems they have dropped the drug driving charge.
Guessing, he failed the roadside test but levels weren't high enough to make a drug driving charge stick.

At this point it's all just speculation.

[andy06shake]

Seems they have dropped the drug driving charge.
Guessing, he failed the roadside test but levels weren't high enough to make a drug driving charge stick.

At this point it's all just speculation.

See that just makes the situation even stranger.

Yeah, just speculation.

I dont think he's planned his day or even journey to go that way if im honest.

I'm thinking he tried to take a shortcut by tailgating the ambulance, and it just all went completely and utterly pear-shaped.

[Oldcarpy2]

See that just makes the situation even stranger.

Yeah, just speculation.

I dont think he's planned his day or even journey to go that way if im honest.

I'm thinking he tried to take a shortcut by tailgating the ambulance, and it just all went completely and utterly pear-shaped.

I don't know, who does?

Road rage?

[andy06shake]

I don't know, who does?

Road rage?

I dont think anyone understands quite yet.

I mean, who knows what's possible when fight or flight mentality takes hold, if indeed that's what happened.

I would like to think i would not be capable of ramming head-on into countless pedestrians all the same.

The fact is if it was not for those police, i dont imagine the man would still be alive, considering what he did.

Horrible one really, but completely preventable if he had chosen not to tailgate ambulances.

[Inspector44]

[andy06shake]

There is nothing mysterious about a third world national turning to terrorism, its their default setting. Just because he was born there doesn't make him British and just because he was enlisted at one time doesn't make him a patriot. I don't consider Nidal Hasan an American nor do I recognize his service. This is the same thing. He was a time bomb waiting to go off. This war in Gaza has done nothing but show people's true colors. It will come out in the trial that he was in contact with some terrorist online.

Accept this is supposedly a first world nation, just like your own, which, granted, is rather debatable, more is the pity, really. 

The fact that he was born here does make him British, one Paul Doyle, a 53-year-old from West Derby, Liverpool, no doubt about it in any sane person's mind. 

I mean ffs, he is an ex-service man, soldier by the looks of it. 

As to his motivations, or him being a time bomb waiting to go off, i suppose that remains to be established.

Again might just have been the wrong place, wrong time, completely stupid reaction. 

As to the war in Gaza, in this instance, i really can't see how that is relevant.

It's not a terror-related incident.

Unless you know something authorities dont?

I would imagine right now TPTB are going over that man's life with a very fine-tooth comb, and hence the extension sought to hold and interview the suspect.

[Oldcarpy2]

There is nothing mysterious about a third world national turning to terrorism, its their default setting. Just because he was born there doesn't make him British and just because he was enlisted at one time doesn't make him a patriot. I don't consider Nidal Hasan an American nor do I recognize his service. This is the same thing. He was a time bomb waiting to go off. This war in Gaza has done nothing but show people's true colors. It will come out in the trial that he was in contact with some terrorist online.

"Third world national"?

Sorry, if you were born here and are a former  Royal Marine I'm afraid that does rather make you British.

If you want to link this to Gaza, with no evidence, then go ahead.

Personally, I can only speculate as to your motives for doing so

No one knows at this stage what happened.

As we saw with the Southport riots, fuelled by hate and disinformation, your fuelling similar is neither helpful or welcome.

"It will come out in the trial that he was in contact with some terrorist online."

Aha.  You know this, how?

[andy06shake]

A former Royal Marine, hmm could be suffering from PTSD, a victim of mind control, or that day he simply lost his mind.

I suppose in a situation like that, if the man did have PTSD, under extreme pressure to escape, it could indeed account for his actions.

But he's got to take responsibility for tailgating an ambulance into a restricted area, hence there is a measure of culpability, a serious one. 

That happened because of him, mad, angry, even in fear of his life, or just plain stupid, the fault is his own as far as can be established thus far.

[Oldcarpy2]

[andy06shake]

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Anyhoo, back on topic, Doyle's been remanded into custody and will appear at Liverpool Magistrates Court this morning.

Charges appear to be.

Two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

Two counts of causing unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

Two counts of attempted unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

And one count of dangerous driving.

Which relates to six people and two children.