US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

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See, I would have said...

" You dont think Trump supporters are real Americans, do you?"

And even there I would probably say, "are more real American."  

That way i dont piss all over TCs as much, but can still say the same thing only without the overt or simplistic bait-trolling. 

I would at least try to pay attention to this... and then find a rule-skirting way to still say what i want somehow.  That way i couldnt be called out for nepotism or hypocrisy as much... 
 

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[chr0naut]

See, I would have said...

" You dont think Trump supporters are real Americans, do you?"

And even there I would probably say, "are more real American."  

That way i dont piss all over TCs as much, but can still say the same thing only without the overt or simplistic bait-trolling. 

I would at least try to pay attention to this... and then find a rule-skirting way to still say what i want somehow.  That way i couldnt be called out for nepotism or hypocrisy as much... 
 

Fair enough. I shall edit my silliness.

[bastion]

See, I would have said...

" You dont think Trump supporters are real Americans, do you?"

And even there I would probably say, "are more real American."  

That way i dont piss all over TCs as much, but can still say the same thing only without the overt or simplistic bait-trolling. 

I would at least try to pay attention to this... and then find a rule-skirting way to still say what i want somehow.  That way i couldnt be called out for nepotism or hypocrisy as much... 
 

It seems more a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy/trolling to me - ignore all reality of the conflict and the many and varied reasons people and countries are opposed to the war and label them 'ECL/Iran supporters/not true Americans/patriot' to avoid having to come up with rebuttals for the many and varied reasons its so unpopular.

On topic the war is spreading wider with Houthis are joining in and are blockading Saudi shipping lanes and attacking Saudi oil tankers in the Red Sea which will have major repercussions on an already strained oil supply and disrupting global shipping if it continues. Oil and 'cost of living' looks set to skyrocket if it continues. Oil companies have doubled their profits in the conflict so far but looks set to rise far higher at the cost of everyone else.

Rubio is claiming Iran are desperate for a deal despite them ramping up proxy attacks, IRCG attaclking Jordan. Current US officials are saying the new attacks will significantly widen the war and strain the US military.

Houthis join conflict, blockade red sea and attack 2 Saudi oil tankers

Tl;Dr - No deal in sight, regime still in charge, conditions far worse than before the war, conflict spreading far wider with far more instability in the region as all NATO intel predicted would happen in an aerial campaign.

[andy06shake]

[chr0naut]

Tell me, what is the motivation for the POTUS trying to hamper the International Criminal Court in the Hague. Not appealing or contesting particular judgements, but trying to shut down the court itself?

This is from the White House website and the pen of the President:

IMPOSING SANCTIONS ON THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

Some pertinent commentary:

Force, Vetoes, and Sanctions: Why the ICC Can’t Touch a US President

[Orby]

Did you get your rose tinted glasses at Specsavers?

Iraq a threat?  Ah yes.  All those WMD's.....

And now Trump gives the green light to the Saudis (who did 9/11) to produce and enrich uranium.

Purely for civilian purposes, of course.

Yes, a threat. No glasses needed. A threat to Israel. Now terminated.

[Orby]

So the Strait of Hormuz is open again, and business is booming?

Traffic moving along unencumbered and unmolested without incident?

Computer say's "No" Orby...

Who cares about this bit of water? USA is self suffucient in carbons, Israel also getting there and gets oil from elsewhere. The attackers of Irean it matters nothing

[Orby]

"Swimmingly"?

No.  It's a colossal disaster.

But, there's none so blind as them that won't see.

You need to study some military past adventures around the Earth, go back say 100 years and look at the casualties needed to shut down a country. This current SMO is brilliant compared, on another level. Iran is carefully being dismantled, for the loss of a handful of people. Absolutely brilliant. It took millions of casualties to do similar in the past. This is just brilliant.

[Orby]

Orby, the USA attacked a country that had not threatened them and that posed no threat to the North American continent.

The USA are not the good guys in this scenario.

It has been alleged that Iran funded all sorts of terrorist groups, but probably so did some people from North America, too.

The Hamas attack on Israel was evil and reprehensible, as was Israel's response by shelling Gaza, instead of by legal means of prosecuting only those who committed those crimes. There were too many innocent non-combatants in Gaza to respond that way.

That is why the ICC court of the Hague has declared Netanyahu a war criminal. That is also why Putin is declared a war criminal, for his unprovoked attacks upon Ukraine. The USA's attack on Iran was unprovoked, too.

In the initial attack on Iran, US ordinance demolished a school, killing more than 150 children. Trumb ordered that attack and he has shown no remorse for his mass murder of those children. He is evil.

You don't bring peace and lawful justice by escalating warfare. More innocent people will die in such stupid destructiveness. The world has seen enough of this warmongering madness which is often futile, economically damaging, ethically immoral and deadly to all participants.

What that idiot has done has damaged the standing of the current USA administration internationally. No one joined in with the USA, despite the appeals of that idiot, even countries that have suffered collateral attacks.

The world isn't seeing the USA as defenders of peace and law. They are now revealed as another dangerous militaristically belligerent rogue nation - bad guys - evil dudes - a gang of thugs fighting among themselves and also hurting others who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

An attack on Israel will always be an attack on the USA. The idiots in Iran knew that by attacking Israel they would face a backlash in return. The Iranian Mullahs want this war. They thrive on this nonsense. 

You can give me all the liberal lefty you want about what foreigners around the world think of this war. Yet, please remember, it's not their war. This war has been building for fifty years, it's a clash of culture, religion, even civilisation. Some foreigner in Uruaguay will never understand why or what is going on here, but will cry the speak of the liberal lefty. 

Once the Mullahs unleashed 7/10 then everything you see now was going to happen. Where we go from here, who knows. Yet the military plus economic dismantling of Iran will probably continue. The Iranians are being pushed out of their previous domains in the ME, now we just have Iran proper that needs taking down. After 7/10 the Iranian Revolution has to go, one way or the other, through economic warfare or military warfare. Israel won't stop until Iran is terminated as a threat. By their hook, or the American crook 

[andy06shake]

Who cares about this bit of water? USA is self suffucient in carbons, Israel also getting there and gets oil from elsewhere. The attackers of Irean it matters nothing

The insurance companies, Orby, they care...