US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[EXETER]

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If the US backed off now, Iran would control the world's oil supply, we'd be kissing their asses.

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And, for better or worse, we probably will back off now.  During the first 5 or 6 weeks of the war, Beavis and Butthead attacked around 13,000 targets, according to them.  Other people support that number, so I don't fundamentally dispute it.  And, the US military is quite good at hitting what they aim at.  So I don't doubt that the targets were damaged/destroyed.  

And that brought us to the "cease fire", which has been off and on for several months now.  When the cease fire is off, we attack one or two hundred targets.  When the cease fire is on, Iran earns more hard currency to build more drones. What would make anyone think that a few hundred more targets destroyed would produce results fundamentally different from what 13,000 failed to produce?

There's no way to defeat Iran that doesn't require boots on the ground.  Lots of boots on the ground.  More than we have and more than the public and Congress are willing to pay for.  

So, we will back off.  It's just a question of when.  Trump is still trying the same things he's been trying all along and hoping for a different outcome.  Pretty much the definition of insanity. Probably after the midterms he will find a way to declare victory and move on. He'll probably blame it on Hilary Hussein O'Biden. 

All this was not only predictable, but actually predicted by knowledgeable experienced military and national security experts. Which is why rational Presidents before Trump declined to step in this particular cow pie.  

And none of this is in any way taking the side of the Iranian government or its policies nor is it a hatred of Jews.  It's simply recognizing that trying to turn Iran into a different nation by military force--one that we like better--is a bridge too far.  

As Dirty Harry Callahan famously said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

For those still against this, then you have fallen to the side of Iran and might as well wear a fucking burka and wave their flag.

False Dilemma
False Dichotomy
Guilt by Association
Straw Man Fallacy

A majority of Americans oppose this war. 85% of democrats, 65% of independents, and 15% of Republicans. Most without supporting Iran. 

You've just lumped 6 out of 10 Americans into an enemy category that outnumbers the accepted colors. More enemy Americans currently then true patriots.  And i dont accept that. 

An equivalent fallacy for the left would be saying...

"The only people that are against woke and green might as well admit they are racist bigots and want to destroy the planet." 

You accept that? Do you accept that black and white?

But for fun I did ask google "what type of government" your quote advocates for...

This quote describes or advocates for an authoritarian or totalitarian system of government, specifically characterized by political polarization, hyper-nationalism, and a "with us or against us" mentality.
Key Political Characteristics

• Totalitarian Us-vs-Them Mentality: The statement uses a classic political manipulation tactic known as a false dilemma. It forces citizens into only two extreme categories: total submission to the current regime's policy or immediate classification as a foreign enemy.
  
• Jingoism and Ultranationalism: It relies on intense, aggressive nationalism. dissent or disagreement with a specific government policy is framed as literal treason and alignment with a hostile foreign power (in this case, Iran).
  
• Demagoguery: This is a style of political leadership or rhetoric that exploits prejudice, fear, and cultural stereotypes (referencing religious garments like the burka out of context) to shut down rational public debate.
  
• Suppression of Dissent: In governments where this rhetoric becomes law, political opposition is criminalized. Citizens lose the right to criticize state choices without facing accusations of subversion. 
  

So to sublimate my fear of that, I'll try something that wont work..

Since you coined "ECL" based on what people say, do you mind if I use your above quote and what Google says about it to call MAGA The "Ultra-National Isolationist Cult Your Country Legally Elected Somehow."

I have backed off calling MAGA fascists, but when you use THAT black/white fallacy , I really could.  But I wont... I will just have to come up with my own acronym at some point..

[DBCowboy]

False Dilemma
False Dichotomy
Guilt by Association
Straw Man Fallacy

A majority of Americans oppose this war. 85% of democrats, 65% of independents, and 15% of Republicans. Most without supporting Iran. 

You've just lumped 6 out of 10 Americans into an enemy category that outnumbers the accepted colors. More enemy Americans currently then true patriots.  And i dont accept that. 

An equivalent fallacy for the left would be saying...

"The only people that are against woke and green might as well admit they are racist bigots and want to destroy the planet." 

You accept that? Do you accept that black and white?

But for fun I did ask google "what type of government" your quote advocates for...

So to sublimate my fear of that, Ill try something that wont work..

Since you coined "ECL" based on what people say, do you mind if I use your above quote and what Google says about it to call MAGA The "Ultra-National Isolationist Cult Your Country Legally Elected Somehow."

I have backed off calling MAGA fascists, but when you use THAT black/white fallacy , I really could.  But I wont... I will just have to come up with my own acronym at some point..

Most people just believe what the nightly news tells them to believe.

Most people are sheep.

[DBCowboy]

And, for better or worse, we probably will back off now.  During the first 5 or 6 weeks of the war, Beavis and Butthead attacked around 13,000 targets, according to them.  Other people support that number, so I don't fundamentally dispute it.  And, the US military is quite good at hitting what they aim at.  So I don't doubt that the targets were damaged/destroyed.  

And that brought us to the "cease fire", which has been off and on for several months now.  When the cease fire is off, we attack one or two hundred targets.  When the cease fire is on, Iran earns more hard currency to build more drones. What would make anyone think that a few hundred more targets destroyed would produce results fundamentally different from what 13,000 failed to produce?

There's no way to defeat Iran that doesn't require boots on the ground.  Lots of boots on the ground.  More than we have and more than the public and Congress are willing to pay for.  

So, we will back off.  It's just a question of when.  Trump is still trying the same things he's been trying all along and hoping for a different outcome.  Pretty much the definition of insanity. Probably after the midterms he will find a way to declare victory and move on. He'll probably blame it on Hilary Hussein O'Biden. 

All this was not only predictable, but actually predicted by knowledgeable experienced military and national security experts. Which is why rational Presidents before Trump declined to step in this particular cow pie.  

And none of this is in any way taking the side of the Iranian government or its policies nor is it a hatred of Jews.  It's simply recognizing that trying to turn Iran into a different nation by military force--one that we like better--is a bridge too far.  

As Dirty Harry Callahan famously said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

If we "back off" then Iran wins, the ECL wins, except for real Americans.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Most people just believe what the nightly news tells them to believe.

Most people are sheep.

And also dogs and pigs..