US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[andy06shake]

[Oldcarpy2]

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And so it goes on, and on...

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

"Dictator" Thread Drift. 

War Loses Trump Even More Key Voters! 

Echelon Insights has a new poll. They are the pollsters that had Trump beating Harris in many swing states, like Pennsylvania and Michigan.
 

Echelon Insights earns an A- grade for polling accuracy and next to no historical statistical bias in rankings. While its founders have conservative ties, analysts and polling aggregators generally view Echelon as a highly accurate, professional polling firm that avoids systematic overestimation of either political party.

Their new conservative-tied (and unbias) poll has another demographic tanking, to follow Independents and Latinos. 18-34 year olds. 
  

Key Points

Trump’s overall approval stands at 38 percent, with 61 percent disapproving in the latest Echelon Insights July 2026 survey.

Among voters aged 18–34, approval is lower at 35 percent, with 65 percent disapproving.

That represents a 23-point net negative rating overall and a 30-point net negative among younger voters.

Compared with July 2025, Trump’s net approval has worsened by 15 points overall and 14 points among younger voters.

Since the start of his second term in January 2025, approval among younger voters has fallen 37 points on a net basis.

Key reasons Trump lost young voters:

• Economic and Affordability Struggles
• Foreign Policy and Military Action
• Immigration Crackdowns

So... how they gonna get the dictator to win with a 38% overall rating, and having lost the crucial demographics that won the election in 2026.  Second Honeymoon is dead. 

He lost 30 percentage points with youth.
He lost 25 percentage points with Independent voters. 
He lost 27 percentage points of the Latinos that supported him..
He lost 20 to 23 percentage points on overall approval rating since inauguration. 

Save America cant save him from his reduced demographics of support. 

So...  I really am just curious how the "dictatorship" goes longer than two years?  What are they going to do to prevent, "Majority Speaker Hakeem Jefferies?" 

The last 2 years will be an administration's efforts dying in legislative gridlock, the time honored method of our constitutional republic when we don't like the president. 

Is it more than just trolling that makes one ignore what's obvious and looming there? 
 

• 2010 (Barack Obama): With an approval rating around 45%, the Democratic Party lost 63 House seats.
  
• 1994 (Bill Clinton): With an approval rating around 46%, the Democratic Party lost 54 House seats.
  
• 2018 (Donald Trump): With an approval rating around 40%, the Republican Party lost 40 House seats.
  

[DBCowboy]

 

So...  I really am just curious how the "dictatorship" goes longer than two years?  What are they going to do to prevent, "Majority Speaker Hakeem Jefferies?" 

 

The communists will tank the democrats.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

That's also tradition.  The democrats will have every opportunity to tank themselves before 2028 in return.

Based on past events...

2 years of a Hakeem Jefferies house will allow for enough spiteful behavior of BAMN haterade (Like impeachment #3 coming in 2027) and likely work out favorably for JD Vance going against someone who will probably be under a DOJ probe. 

We haven't got to that part yet.

[Knows]

Their new conservative-tied (and unbias) poll has another demographic tanking, to follow Independents and Latinos. 18-34 year olds. 
  

Key reasons Trump lost young voters:

• Economic and Affordability Struggles
• Foreign Policy and Military Action
• Immigration Crackdowns

So... how they gonna get the dictator to win with a 38% overall rating, and having lost the crucial demographics that won the election in 2026.  Second Honeymoon is dead. 

He lost 30 percentage points with youth.
He lost 25 percentage points with Independent voters. 
He lost 27 percentage points of the Latinos that supported him..
He lost 20 to 23 percentage points on overall approval rating since inauguration. 

Save America cant save him from his reduced demographics of support. 

So...  I really am just curious how the "dictatorship" goes longer than two years?  What are they going to do to prevent, "Majority Speaker Hakeem Jefferies?" 

The last 2 years will be an administration's efforts dying in legislative gridlock, the time honored method of our constitutional republic when we don't like the president. 

Is it more than just trolling that makes one ignore what's obvious and looming there? 
 

You have "NO SOURCE" listed for your poll.
Trump has already won his last election. Unless he goes for a 3rd term. 

They have no other choice but the Democrats. Open boarders. Enforced perversion. Imported terrorists assisted and paid by tax payers.  

[Oldcarpy2]

The communists will tank the democrats.

These Communists, are they in the room with us now?

[DBCowboy]

That's also tradition.  The democrats will have every opportunity to tank themselves before 2028 in return.

Based on past events...

2 years of a Hakeem Jefferies house will allow for enough spiteful behavior of BAMN haterade (Like impeachment #3 coming in 2027) and likely work out favorably for JD Vance going against someone who will probably be under a DOJ probe. 

We haven't got to that part yet.

The "socialists" have gotten bolder, I would wager that the House nor the Senate is a lock for democrats.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

You have "NO SOURCE" listed for your poll.
Trump has already won his last election. Unless he goes for a 3rd term. 

They have no other choice but the Democrats. Open boarders. Enforced perversion. Imported terrorists assisted and paid by tax payers.  

Fair enough: 

https://echeloninsights.com/insights/jul...-omnibus-1

For other data (not in Echelon Insights) like Latino and Independent i went to other sources. 

FACT CHECK OF DATA (with source links left in):


 Youth Support Drop: Verified

Your figure of a 30-percentage-point drop among younger demographics is well-supported by recent data. [1]

• The Data: According to an Echelon Insights survey published in July 2026, President Trump’s net approval among younger voters plummeted by 37 percentage points from the start of his term in January 2025. 
  

Independent Voters Drop: Verified

Your stat closely aligns with the long-term polling tracker data on non-affiliated voters.

• The Data: A comprehensive tracking analysis published by AP-NORC in June 2026 reported that Trump’s support among Independents had fallen 17 percentage points since before he took office. [1]
  

Latino Voter Drop: Verified

Your figure matches specific metrics charting the sharpest erosion among Trump's 2024 coalition base.

• The Data: According to a Pew Research Center report published in mid-2026, Trump's approval rating among the Latino voters who supported him dropped from 93% at the start of his second term down to 66%—representing a 27-percentage-point drop. [1, 2]
  

Overall Approval Drop: Verified

Your assessment that overall numbers are down 20 to 23 points matches the widely reported net-approval decline.

• The Data: The Echelon Insights tracking indexes show his overall net approval rating dropped from a net +8% at inauguration to a net -23% by July 2026—marking a 31-point net swing. 
  

* redundant links removed.

[DBCowboy]

Fair enough: 

https://echeloninsights.com/insights/jul...-omnibus-1

For other data (not in Echelon Insights) like Latino and Independent i went to other sources. 

FACT CHECK OF DATA (with source links left in):


 Youth Support Drop: Verified

Your figure of a 30-percentage-point drop among younger demographics is well-supported by recent data. [1]

• The Data: According to an Echelon Insights survey published in July 2026, President Trump’s net approval among younger voters plummeted by 37 percentage points from the start of his term in January 2025. 
  

Independent Voters Drop: Verified

Your stat closely aligns with the long-term polling tracker data on non-affiliated voters.

• The Data: A comprehensive tracking analysis published by AP-NORC in June 2026 reported that Trump’s support among Independents had fallen 17 percentage points since before he took office. [1]
  

Latino Voter Drop: Verified

Your figure matches specific metrics charting the sharpest erosion among Trump's 2024 coalition base.

• The Data: According to a Pew Research Center report published in mid-2026, Trump's approval rating among the Latino voters who supported him dropped from 93% at the start of his second term down to 66%—representing a 27-percentage-point drop. [1, 2]
  

Overall Approval Drop: Verified

Your assessment that overall numbers are down 20 to 23 points matches the widely reported net-approval decline.

• The Data: The Echelon Insights tracking indexes show his overall net approval rating dropped from a net +8% at inauguration to a net -23% by July 2026—marking a 31-point net swing. 
  

* redundant links removed.

Quick on negative polls about Trump and republicans, is there an unbiased poll for democrats?