Trump says he bombed Iran

[putnam6]

"Penetrating these shafts with GBU-57 MOPs was a strategic choice to bypass the facility's deep fortification, but it remained a difficult task due to the 80–90-meter depth and geological challenges. While the U.S. strikes in June 2025 likely caused significant damage, possibly rendering the centrifuge halls inoperable, uncertainties remain about the full extent of destruction. Multiple MOP strikes on the ventilation shafts appear to have exploited a key weakness, but complete destruction of critical components is not guaranteed, and Iran may retain some capacity to recover."



Why does this scenario sound so much like a plot device from the first "Star Wars" film? 

I mean....


When did our reality become a sci-fi fantasy scrip? 

And can we please get some better writers on the payroll!!!

Typical 2025  attitude: if it's something beyond one's scope of understanding, it's magical and or theatrical, like showing a mirror to a monkey


Where did you think 800 billion dollars in defense spending went? LOL, it wasn't USAID funding, sure they were overcharging, but it was used for the military...

The first GBU series was used in 1991, 32 years ago, Obi Wan
 

GBU-28 (1991): During the Gulf War, the U.S. identified a need for bombs to penetrate Iraqi command bunkers. The GBU-28, a 5,000-pound laser-guided bomb, was designed, built, and deployed in just 28 days (January–February 1991) by the U.S. Air Force, using modified 8-inch artillery barrels. This rapid development was an exception due to urgent wartime needs.

• GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) (2004–2011): The U.S. Air Force began developing the 30,000-pound GBU-57 MOP in 2004 to target deeply buried facilities, like Iran’s Fordow nuclear site. Testing started in 2007, and the bomb was deployable by 2011, a development period of about 7 years.
  
• GBU-72 Advanced 5K Penetrator (2017–2021): Development of the 5,000-pound GBU-72 began in 2017 to improve on the GBU-28. Testing was completed in 2021, with production planned for 2022, taking about 4–5 years.
  

First Use of Bunker Buster Bombs:

• Tallboy (1944): The British Tallboy bomb was first used in June 1944 against German fortifications, such as the Saumur railway tunnel and V-2 missile sites.
  
• Grand Slam (1945): Deployed in March 1945, it was used against German U-boat pens and bridges, notably penetrating 15 feet of concrete at the Valentin submarine pens.
  
• Disney Bomb (1945): Used in 1945 by the U.S. Army Air Forces against German submarine pens, with limited operational use before WWII ended.
  
• GBU-28 (1991): First used on February 27, 1991, during Operation Desert Storm by F-111F aircraft against Iraqi bunkers near Baghdad. Two bombs were dropped, successfully breaching a bunker.
  
• GBU-57 MOP (2025): First combat use was on June 22, 2025, when 14 GBU-57 bombs were dropped by B-2 Spirit bombers on Iran’s Fordow and Natanz nuclear facilities during Operation Midnight Hammer.
  

Summary:

• Development timelines varied: 3–5 years for WWII-era bombs (Tallboy, Grand Slam), 1–2 years for the Disney bomb, 28 days for the GBU-28 (due to urgency), 7 years for the GBU-57 MOP, and 4–5 years for the GBU-72.
  
• First operational use was in 1944 (Tallboy), with modern U.S. bunker busters first used in 1991 (GBU-28) and 2025 (GBU-57 MOP).
  

The pots been boiling and it's been stirred by Uncle Sam an his big spoon let it simmer...


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[andy06shake]

There’s a lot of debate about the size of the blast in the test. It was planned for 8.5 megatons, but some researchers say they analyzed the blast videos and pushed the yield up to over 9 megatons. At 8.5 its efficiency was significantly higher. They achieved 2.5kt/kg, which is unheard of with modern weapons. A B83, with a 1.2 megaton yield, has an efficiency of 1.09kt/kg.

The same thing happened with the Castle Bravo test, did it not, only significantly worse?

Which was much larger than expected, than the predicted 5 megatons.

And in the range of 10-15 megatons.

[Zaphod58]

The same thing happened with the Castle Bravo test, did it not, only significantly worse?

Which was much larger than expected, than the predicted 5 megatons.

And in the range of 10-15 megatons.

It did, but the data recorded from the site showed 8.5 megatons, so in this case the odds are better than average that it wasn’t bigger.

[andy06shake]

It did, but the data recorded from the site showed 8.5 megatons, so in this case the odds are better than average that it wasn’t bigger.

Bigger than 8.5 megatons, i mean the mind simply boggles at the staggering amount of energy released.

Terrifying, really, if ever used in anger.

[ANNEE]

It's definitely just an opinion because it has no factual basis...

The opinion presented suggests there was a roll-the-dice aspect to the planning. IF they had details and schematics of the site for 7 years, it was planned out to the last detail a long time ago was a much more likely process

If they had plans, what opinion is more likely?
throw shit at the wall and see what sticks plan, or

a 15-year in the making plan with 7 of them with their ability to specifically plan based on the schematics of the site....

Perhaps in the previous administration, the military abandoned those plans and decided to just unfreeze more Iranian assets as a precaution

If you have anything other than an opinion on highly classified projected possible scenarios — let’s hear it. I’m highly aware to the fact — I don’t. 

However, if I was in that “need to know” group I would surmise I’d have multiple speculative plans to fit any forthcoming occasion. 

Common sense IMO

[xuenchen]

trump warned them ahead of time to reduce causalities, and it backfired on him cause it gave them plenty of time to move the "stuff" out

They even tried to use construction dump trucks as cover!!
They sure fooled everybody didn't they 

They forgot Israel saw the whole thing 

[andy06shake]

They even tried to use construction dump trucks as cover!!

It's what they may have removed in those dump trucks that's of serious concern. 

If you knew the American bombers were coming.

Would you really keep all your 60% enriched uranium nuclear eggs in one basket? 

Probably not, would be my answer.
 
And if the 900 lb of 60% enriched uranium is down there.

Locked away in steel drums, which the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator somehow miraculously left intact, while completely obliterating the rest of the site.

What's to stop them from simply digging it back out?

[xuenchen]

It's what they may have removed in those dump trucks that's of serious concern. 

If you knew the American bombers were coming.

Would you really keep all your 60% enriched uranium nuclear eggs in one basket? 

Probably not, would be my answer.
 
And if the 900 lb of 60% enriched uranium is down there.

Locked away in steel drums, which the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator somehow miraculously left intact, while completely obliterating the rest of the site.

What's to stop them from simply digging it back out?

Won't matter in a few weeks when the Iran Government switches over 

That's the bait everybody is swallowing 

[andy06shake]

Won't matter in a few weeks when the Iran Government switches over 

That's the bait everybody is swallowing 

It might matter so....................

Especially if they get a centrifuge working somewhere that can't be bombed. 

As to a possible regime change.

I hope so, i also hope they elect(is that what they do?) someone progressive and willing to return Iran to the fold.

As opposed to the horrible old religious maniac currently at the helm of the nation. 

But so far that has not translated into a unified opposition capable of toppling the regime.

They are hanging on by a thread...................

The thing is, for collapse to occur, you'd likely need a major internal split.

Like a military coup or a sustained mass movement with broad elite support. 

And the fact of the matter is that's a game of spin the bottle that may well lead to somebody worse taking control.

[putnam6]

If you have anything other than an opinion on highly classified projected possible scenarios — let’s hear it. I’m highly aware to the fact — I don’t. 

However, if I was in that “need to know” group I would surmise I’d have multiple speculative plans to fit any forthcoming occasion. 

Common sense IMO

Respectfully, if interested, it was all pretty much explained in the DoD presentation what occurred... it just doesn't confirm your biases.

I can easily common-sense rationalize that the actual damage could be between the opposing sources.