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(06-26-2025, 09:19 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Yes, he's quoting intel from American, Israeli, Iranian and UN intel sources.
So it's not him making it up. Glad you finally admit it.
Well the Iranian sources are conflicting, so how good are those sources? Low confidence from all of them apparently.
Congratulations on successfully bombing empty Iranian facilities without any pushback from the Iranian air force.
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(06-26-2025, 09:26 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: Any comment about the shoddy treatment women get in Iran considering that you are a card carrying Ayatollah supporter?
Any comment about the shoddy treatment regarding pro-choice women are getting in the U.S.?
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(06-26-2025, 09:22 AM)putnam6 Wrote: It's not exactly easy...to transfer a warhead. Tired of pretending it would happen easily
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian...ump-taunts
Russia says it will not give Iran nuclear warheads.
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(06-26-2025, 09:24 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: If it were just Trump up there bloviating as usual, then yeah I would question it a lot.
But all four intels are confirming ... America, Israel, Iran and United Nations.
So I think it's highly probable that their agreed assessment of 'badly damaged to destroyed' is true. You constantly use that word (bloviating).
It's not an excuse for his lies.
As for the intelligence agencies in question, I don't think they are all claiming the same thing.
That's just another unsubstantiated claim, considering their reports would be classified for a start.
If those facilities were not completely obliterated as Trump claimed, then he was telling porkies.
Badly damaged—yeah, bombs do that—but they don’t obliterate facilities designed to withstand such destruction.
As for the material in question, where is it now?
The truth is, you don’t know any more than I do, or Trump for that matter.
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(06-26-2025, 09:28 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Well the Iranian sources are conflicting, so how good are those sources? Low confidence from all of them apparently.
No. The Iranian military, who actually work with the sites, says they were badly damaged.
The ayatollah, who is an 86 year old 12th'er and a figurehead, doesn't want to lose face so he says differently.
The Iranian military assessment agrees with the American, Israeli, and United Nations assessment.
You are looking kinda desperate to cling to the false narrative of 'Iran says no damage'.
Just admit you were wrong.
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(06-26-2025, 09:29 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian...ump-taunts
Russia says it will not give Iran nuclear warheads.
I see your Fox News and raise you a Newsweek, who is right?
"Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said Sunday that President Donald Trump "has pushed the US into another war" and that countries are "ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.""
Putin ally says countries now ready to supply Iran with nuclear weapons
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Anyhoo ile come back later and see if we have found anything new and/or what transpired.
Or i will be joining the unemployment line.
Have fun, peeps.
And mind it's just banter and debate.
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(06-26-2025, 09:30 AM)andy06shake Wrote: You constantly use that word (bloviating).
It's not an excuse for his lies.
As for the intelligence agencies in question, I don't think they are all claiming the same thing.
That's just another unsubstantiated claim.
If those facilities were not completely obliterated as Trump claimed, then he was telling porkies.
Badly damaged—yeah, bombs do that—but they don’t obliterate facilities designed to withstand such destruction.
As for the material in question, where is it now?
The truth is, you don’t know any more than I do, or Trump for that matter.
I've said over and over ... Trump lies.
And I describe his lies as bloviating as well because he mixes the two together.
He has it down to an art form. I've never seen anything like it.
All politicians lie, but he mixes in the grand bloviating ...
Again ... American intel, Israeli intel, Iranian intel, and United Nations intel all agree ... badly damaged to destroyed. Trump uses the term 'obliterated'. That's him using big colorful words which he does with everything. Obliterated and destroyed mean pretty much the same thing. He is saying what the intel says.
If it were just him saying it, then I would also question the validity of it. But it's not just him. It's all four sources.
And I've said over and over, we won't know the full extent of the damage for weeks if not months. The initial assessments all agree however ... badly damaged to destroyed.
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(06-26-2025, 09:32 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I see your Fox News and raise you a Newsweek, who is right?
"Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said Sunday that President Donald Trump "has pushed the US into another war" and that countries are "ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.""
Putin ally says countries now ready to supply Iran with nuclear weapons
Try comprehending your own source material....
Nowhere does it say that Russia will be supplying Iran with nukes. It CLEARLY states that "countries" are ready to supply them, no country names are given.
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(06-26-2025, 09:31 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: No. The Iranian military, who actually work with the sites, says they were badly damaged.
The ayatollah, who is an 86 year old 12th'er and a figurehead, doesn't want to lose face so he says differently.
The Iranian military assessment agrees with the American, Israeli, and United Nations assessment.
You are looking kinda desperate to cling to the false narrative of 'Iran says no damage'.
Just admit you were wrong.
What do all those descriptors really mean without explanation and evidence?
I never said Iran says no damage, I said I want evidence to prove what Isreal and Trump are claiming, what descriptor are they using today?
Wrong about what? The level of destruction that nobody has any Intel to, not even Trump or Israel?
This whole discussion is a deflection as to the fact that bombing empty facilities was really an unsuccessful mission in preventing Iran from making nukes when they weren't even going to make nukes, but they could have if they wanted to, and now they want to so as to prevent the U.S./Israel from freely bombing them again in the future.
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