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(06-26-2025, 09:32 AM)quintessentone Wrote: "Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, ...
Try to keep up.
Medvedev made that comment and then the actual people running Russia quickly made the comment to refute it saying that they will not give Iran nukes.
You are a step behind.
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06-26-2025, 09:39 AM
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(06-26-2025, 09:24 AM)sahgwa Wrote: That's what I find fascinating and revolting and also exhausting about most people's mindsets in this day and age. This thread is a case in point; people tend to politicise everything.
Just review the data and state your opinion.
Stop defending XYZ 'side' or politician, it's not necessary, wastes your energy, and they dont give AF about you.
No shit, but considereding how scrutinized the Trump administration, highly unlikely Trump would pressure people to lie to support his postion.
It's honestly the best situation we have a President with a hostile press and a large swathe of Congress, he can't screw around too much without it getting discovered. Every word and action is dissected and automatically assumed he is lying, trying to screw the GP, and or enrich himself, his family and cronies.
you know like the Biden's and the Obama's and the Bush's and Clinton's definitely the Clinton's did.
So anything he does has to be justified and explained...
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(06-26-2025, 09:28 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Any comment about the shoddy treatment regarding pro-choice women are getting in the U.S.?
Deflection and delusion as usual.
Are women being stoned to death in the USA?
You are not a serious person, you are delusional if you are comparing the two to be the same.
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(06-26-2025, 09:38 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Try to keep up.
Medvedev made that comment and then the actual people running Russia quickly made the comment to refute it saying that they will not give Iran nukes.
You are a step behind.
Let's all keep up...
"Medvedev dismissed the claims, arguing that the country’s nuclear infrastructure was only slightly damaged.He added: “The critical infrastructure of the nuclear cycle, apparently, was not damaged or was damaged only slightly."
Horror WW3 warning as Putin's puppet says 'countries now ready to give Iran nukes' | World | News | Express.co.uk
Sure Russia may not give Iran nukes directly, but Putin can orchestrate, behind the scenes, other countries/allies to do so.
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(06-26-2025, 09:37 AM)quintessentone Wrote: What do all those descriptors really mean without explanation and evidence?
I never said Iran says no damage, I said I want evidence to prove what Isreal and Trump are claiming, what descriptor are they using today?
Wrong about what? The level of destruction that nobody has any Intel to, not even Trump or Israel?
This whole discussion is a deflection as to the fact that bombing empty facilities was really an unsuccessful mission in preventing Iran from making nukes when they weren't even going to make nukes, but they could have if they wanted to, and now they want to so as to prevent the U.S./Israel from freely bombing them again in the future.
1 - The descriptions are the assessment of the experts who know what to do with the information gathered. You would have no clue. So the descriptions mean everything.
2 - "I want evidence to prove what Isreal and Trump are claiming," ... you mean you want classified information that proves what American Intel, Israeli Intel, Iranian Intel and the United Nations Intel are all stating and agreeing to. It's not just 'Israel and Trump'.
3 - "preventing Iran from making nukes when they weren't even going to make nukes," .... dead wrong. That was the whole point of building the nuclear facility deep underground with massive layers of bunker on top of it. To make nukes. Civilian nuclear programs only enrich to 6% and they don't need underground facilities. Iran had already enriched to 60% and was within weeks of reaching the required 90% enrichment for nukes.
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(06-26-2025, 09:17 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The actual military people did.
The Ayatollah is 86 and a 12th'er.
A nutter if ever there was one.
Didn't say, suggest, or infer otherwise
So, the Ayatollah isn't the supreme leader anymore?
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(06-26-2025, 09:37 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: Try comprehending your own source material....
Nowhere does it say that Russia will be supplying Iran with nukes. It CLEARLY states that "countries" are ready to supply them, no country names are given.
So Putin can't pull any other ally's strings?
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(06-26-2025, 09:42 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Sure Russia may not give Iran nukes directly, but Putin can orchestrate, behind the scenes, other countries/allies to do so.
 You invent things and move goal posts to try to bolster your narrative. "can". Impressive.
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(06-26-2025, 09:44 AM)putnam6 Wrote: So, the Ayatollah isn't the supreme leader anymore?
The military who actually work with the sites say it's badly damaged. The Ayatollah who sits in his robes in Tehran and dreams of a Muslim caliphate doesn't want to lose face so he says otherwise.
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06-26-2025, 09:47 AM
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(06-26-2025, 09:42 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: 1 - The descriptions are the assessment of the experts who know what to do with the information gathered. You would have no clue. So the descriptions mean everything.
2 - "I want evidence to prove what Isreal and Trump are claiming," ... you mean you want classified information that proves what American Intel, Israeli Intel, Iranian Intel and the United Nations Intel are all stating and agreeing to. It's not just 'Israel and Trump'.
3 - "preventing Iran from making nukes when they weren't even going to make nukes," .... dead wrong. That was the whole point of building the nuclear facility deep underground with massive layers of bunker on top of it. To make nukes. Civilian nuclear programs only enrich to 6% and they don't need underground facilities. Iran had already enriched to 60% and was within weeks of reaching the required 90% enrichment for nukes.
You Americans have more to worry about than whether or not empty Iranian nuclear facilities were obliterated or severely damaged or slightly damaged or not really damaged much.
Your President, his admin. and elitist donors are dragging you into a forever war 'over there', while from some expert economists' warnings as well as companies leaving the U.S. in droves, is wrecking your country financially, morally, and creating the 'American Nightmare'.
Look over there, not here.
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