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(06-26-2025, 09:39 AM)putnam6 Wrote: No shit, but considereding how scrutinized the Trump administration, highly unlikely Trump would pressure people to lie to support his postion.
Trump would have to have gotten all of the American intel community, all of the Israeli intel community, all of the Iranian intel community and all of the United Nations to lie for him to back up his story ... Obviously that's not going to happen.
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(06-26-2025, 09:47 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Your President, his admin. and elitist donors are dragging you into a forever war 'over there',
Try to keep up ... It was a one time strategic hit and within 48 hours both sides agreed to a cease fire.
Your tired old narrative doesn't fly.
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06-26-2025, 09:51 AM
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(06-26-2025, 09:13 AM)quintessentone Wrote: See what I mean? Conflicting truths and propaganda from all sides.
You still haven't listed an independent source on Iran that you consider valid.
“The American press is a shame and a reproach to a civilized people. When a man is too lazy to work and too cowardly to steal, he becomes an editor and manufactures public opinion.”
― William T. Sherman
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06-26-2025, 09:52 AM
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(06-26-2025, 09:47 AM)quintessentone Wrote: You Americans have more to worry about than whether or not empty Iranian nuclear facilities were obliterated or severely damaged or slightly damaged or not really damaged much.
We aren't worried about it ... but you sure seem to be.
American, Israeli, Iranian and United Nations intel all agree ... badly damaged to destroyed.
We aren't worried' about it.
You, a Canadian, are the one who is doing the keyboard warrior thing and worried about it.
Not us.
I notice you changed the subject when I proved you wrong about Iran not making nukes.
Predictable
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(06-26-2025, 09:50 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Try to keep up ... It was a one time strategic hit and within 48 hours both sides agreed to a cease fire.
Your tired old narrative doesn't fly.
If you really think that ends anything between Isreal/Iran/Palestine/Lebanon/Syria etc., you are living in a Trump fantasy world.
"The only journey is the one within."
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06-26-2025, 09:52 AM
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(06-26-2025, 09:46 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The military who actually work with the sites say it's badly damaged. The Ayatollah who sits in his robes in Tehran and dreams of a Muslim caliphate doesn't want to lose face so he says otherwise.
As if the Iranian public is ever told the truth...
So, which description/narrative do the Iranian people listen to and believe?
The military or the Ayatollah?
I do not know the percentages, but if it's close to 50% or more believe the Ayatollah, we can forget regime change. Which means the same Iran for the foreseeable future
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart
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(06-26-2025, 09:52 AM)putnam6 Wrote: So, which description/narrative do the Iranian people listen to and believe?
The military or the Ayatollah?
Dunno'. Last I heard it was 70% of Iranians wanted regime change.
But that could be different now. Who knows. It's a terrorist state
that terrorizes it's own people.
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(06-26-2025, 09:44 AM)quintessentone Wrote: So Putin can't pull any other ally's strings?
Where is your evidence that he is?
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(06-26-2025, 09:44 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: You invent things and move goal posts to try to bolster your narrative. "can". Impressive. 
So you just proved you can't think in strategic military and political terms regarding the acquisition of others' lands/resources, oil/gas, rare earth minerals namely neo-colonization and/or annexation.
Did I invent Putin's annexation of Crimea?
Did I invent Israel's annexation of Palestinian land?
Did you notice when Ukraine and Syria gave up their nuclear weapons, what transpired afterwards?
"The only journey is the one within."
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(06-26-2025, 09:55 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: Where is your evidence that he is?
Evidence from an independent source that is deemed accurate at that.
“The American press is a shame and a reproach to a civilized people. When a man is too lazy to work and too cowardly to steal, he becomes an editor and manufactures public opinion.”
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