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(06-26-2025, 08:51 AM)andy06shake Wrote: I mean i would assume there are things like blast doors, and right-angled corridors down there, and also incorporated into the likes of the ventilation system, designed to mitigate the likes of bunker buster munitions for a start.
And it's not like they did not know they were going to be a target.
To claim complete and utter obliteration without actual evidence to back it up is fraught with issues and inconsistency.
Just say you believe the Ayatollah's assessment more than the Trump administration's and get it over with.
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Obviously, neither are trustworthy. We won't know the actual damage until much later, if ever. There is way too much confidence here about this. It's okay to not know.
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(06-26-2025, 08:56 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Just say you believe the Ayatollah's assessment more than the Trump administration's and get it over with.
I would not believe any of the two, if they told me water is wet so...........................
It's facts and evidence that will prove as to what happened and/or the level of destruction.
Not statements from dirty old men with an agenda and axe to grind.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(06-26-2025, 08:54 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Didn't the U.S. satellite see the trucks lining up and driving away from the facilities. What did they think they were doing there? It's beyond ridiculous.
What this boils down to is....no matter what "intel" you get based on what "intel" you THINK you are entitled to, you will just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "NA NA NA NA NA"
The denial of reality is beyond ridiculous.
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(06-26-2025, 08:56 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Just say you believe the Ayatollah's assessment more than the Trump administration's and get it over with.
He and the rest of us are clear, we need independent evidence, got any?
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(06-26-2025, 08:56 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Just say you believe the Ayatollah's assessment more than the Trump administration's and get it over with.
Iran agrees .... badly damaged to destroyed.
They had to swallow some pride to admit that.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-says-...s-success/
Quote:Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei on Wednesday confirmed the country’s nuclear facilities had been “badly damaged” in American strikes over the weekend, amid clashing evaluations on the extent of the success of operations against Tehran’s nuclear program.
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Baghaei refused to go into detail but conceded the Sunday strikes by American B-2 bombers using bunker-buster bombs had been significant.
“Our nuclear installations have been badly damaged, that’s for sure,” he said.
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To my untrained satellite photo reading eye, the pictures don't show much damage because we don't know how deep the munitions penetrated and we don't have anyone on the ground taking pictures close up, or more importantly, underground.
In one easily readable picture, of the above-ground facility in Isfahan about one third of the buildings are destroyed, which is not many, but maybe they were the most important ones.
Based on photographs, if I was a fan of destruction, I am giving these strikes a 6 out of 10.
Maybe the damage is mostly underground, who knows. . .
That is after viewing CBS News photos , presented to me as 'News From the Left'
When I click on 'News from the Right' and view Fox News photos, it doesnt show me Isfahan but a random University building 'believed to be connected to nuclear research' being destroyed, but not much else.
So I wouldn't be surprised by the verdict of 'only set back a few months' , personally.
Not that it matters, they won't be lobbing nukes at anyone any time soon.
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(06-26-2025, 08:48 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: And how do you know that?
Its been all over the news since yesterday.
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(06-26-2025, 08:52 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Nope.
We don't need access to the classified intelligence reports to know that the conclusions all say the same thing because their spokespersons, the people who have access to the classified information, have said so.
America, Israel, Iran and the United Nations all agree. The sites were heavily damaged to destroyed.
You may not, but people who wish to know the truth may well do.
And severely damaged does not equate to complete obliteration.
As your POTUS keeps on claiming without actual evidence to support his suppositions.
You know the man jumps the gun more often than not, so why not simply admit Trump could be wrong?
Also if Iran was not working on a nuclear bomb(which i think we all know they were to some extent) you can be darn well sure they are now.
Trump just made that a priority by way of the attacks.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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