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(06-26-2025, 08:34 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Nope. I"m not a Trump lover. Not even close.
And you don't know what you are talking about. Your request for 'ground penetrating radar' coming from independent intel doesn't fly. There is no 'independent intel' working in the region that would have that kind of equipment to be able to do that.
All assessments from Israeli, American, Iranian, and UN intelligence says the sites are severely damaged to destroyed. The details are not for you to know. They are CLASSIFIED. And once again ... you are just a left wing Canadian armchair keyboard warrior so no one is going to give you classified information. you wouldn't know what you were looking at anyways and you'd need actual experts to interpret the information. At that point, if what they said doesn't match your narrative, you'd just argue that they were wrong anyways. Comical. 
Yes you love all of this war and hate...all your posts show it...we see you.
I didn't say there were independent researchers on the ground, but that I want that type of evidence.
If they are not for us to know, how do you know the sites are severely damaged?
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(06-26-2025, 08:27 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: For the love of God, who do you need to hear the damage assessment from before you believe it?
American, Israeli, Iranian and United Nations damage assessments agree ... the sites are heavily damaged to destroyed. Anyone saying differently at this point is just blowing smoke out their butts. The EXPERTS from both sides and even neutral sides have seen the CLASSIFIED INFORMATION and came to the same conclusion. Armchair internet keyboard warriors wouldn't know what they were looking at if they were to read the classified information ... which isn't going to happen anyways.
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(06-26-2025, 08:30 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Yes me and many others here. We'd like to see independent research with ground penetrating radar pics of before and after, got any? But I'd most like to see ground penetrating pics of other sites where the Iranians could have reserve hidden facilities, got any? That's the content you are looking for which is good, but from who? Specifically who, what is the name of an actual organization or person whom you trust.
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(06-26-2025, 08:38 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: American, Israeli, Iranian and United Nations damage assessments agree ... the sites are heavily damaged to destroyed. Anyone saying differently at this point is just blowing smoke out their butts. The EXPERTS from both sides and even neutral sides have seen the CLASSIFIED INFORMATION and came to the same conclusion. Armchair internet keyboard warriors wouldn't know what they were looking at if they were to read the classified information ... which isn't going to happen anyways.
Ha ha The Iranian officials say otherwise, prove them wrong. This is ridiculous banter.
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(06-26-2025, 08:38 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: That's the content you are looking for which is good, but from who? Specifically who, what is the name of an actual organization or person whom you trust.
Any credible independent journalist or researcher who is actually on the ground there. Did you know independent videographers in Israel are being targeted and warned to not film any thing?
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(06-26-2025, 08:36 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I absolutely believe you do have enough coloured crayons and always colour within the lines.
And it does not have to go too far down, just enough to show the concrete upper layers are destroyed.
That would actually not qualify as successful. In this case it has to reach the correct depth before it explodes, until then it's just punching a hole the diameter of itself until that depth.
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(06-26-2025, 08:37 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Yes you love all of this war and hate...all your posts show it...we see you.
I didn't say there were independent researchers on the ground, but that I want that type of evidence.
If they are not for us to know, how do you know the sites are severely damaged?
1 - Your false personal assessment means nothing.
2 - YOU SAID you want independent deep radar information .. which shows you don't know what you are talking about. No independent source has that kind of ability. It doesn't exist. And if it did, even if it were put out on the internet, you wouldn't know how to read the information anyways. You aren't a geologist or a military expert. The experts would have to interpret it for you.
3 - And we know the sites are severely damaged to destroyed because the intelligence agencies from America, Israel, Iran and the United Nations have the experts looking at their information and have determined it to be such. They are NOT going to share their intelligence nor their intelligence gathering techniques with you or anyone else on the internet.
You don't want to believe it because it doesn't fit your narrative. That's your choice.
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(06-26-2025, 08:38 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: American, Israeli, Iranian and United Nations damage assessments agree ... the sites are heavily damaged to destroyed. Anyone saying differently at this point is just blowing smoke out their butts. The EXPERTS from both sides and even neutral sides have seen the CLASSIFIED INFORMATION and came to the same conclusion. Armchair internet keyboard warriors wouldn't know what they were looking at if they were to read the classified information ... which isn't going to happen anyways.
Claims that American, Israeli, Iranian, and UN experts all agree on classified damage assessments are unverifiable without access to the actual reports.
And assertions based on "classified information" can't be independently confirmed, and are often used to shut down debate rather than support conclusions.
If the evidence is classified, it cannot be used as proof in public discourse.
Also, experts often disagree, even within the same agency.
Appeals to authority without transparency aren’t valid arguments.
And dismissing dissenting views as "keyboard warriors" is an ad hominem tactic, not reasoned analysis.
Public claims must stand on open evidence, not secrecy.
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(06-26-2025, 08:21 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: the United States Intelligence Agencies and the Israeli Intelligence Agencies are not going to share classified information with you, or the internet, just to satisfy your, and anyone else's, curiosity.
They won't be sharing Intel with Congress either. Why is that?
This looks more and more like sharpie gate every time Trump doubles down.
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(06-26-2025, 08:42 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Any credible independent journalist or researcher who is actually on the ground there. Did you know independent videographers in Israel are being targeted and warned to not film any thing?
So name one you trust then. Why is that so hard for you. you should know who you trust.
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