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(06-22-2025, 10:24 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Especially as it seems that the Uranium was removed beforehand. Do they have enough for a bomb, the ability to build one and deliver it and are they mad enough to do that?
Trump told Zelensky that he was gambling with WW3.
Now Trump is doing just that.
A dirty bomb or extremely low-yield device may be of concern.
It's nuts, unless the entire operation has been a complete and utter decapitation.
And I'm apt to ponder the jury is still out on that one.
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06-22-2025, 10:30 AM
This post was last modified: 06-22-2025, 10:35 AM by putnam6. 
So either we deal with another Constitutional crisis or with another ROGUE Middle Eastern Country with nuclear weapons, that screams Death to America and fires 600 missiles at Israel
In a Constitutional cases, legal precedent is HUGE
https://x.com/i/grok/share/yjB9Uzj5sU13mWdEjqFxX9RUD
Importance of Precedent in Constitutional Law- Ensures Stability and Predictability:
- Precedent provides a framework for consistent judicial decision-making, allowing individuals, governments, and institutions to rely on established interpretations of constitutional provisions. For example, Marbury v. Madison (1803) established judicial review, a principle courts have relied on for over two centuries.
- Without precedent, constitutional law could become erratic, undermining public trust and legal certainty.
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How Many Presidents Have Circumvented the War Powers Act?
Since the WPR’s passage in 1973, multiple presidents have taken military actions that critics argue circumvented its requirements or intent by acting unilaterally without specific congressional authorization. Below is a list of presidents since 1973 and notable instances where their actions were alleged to violate or skirt the WPR: - Richard Nixon (1969–1974):
- Cambodia Bombing (1969–1970): Nixon’s secret bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam War, without congressional approval, was a key catalyst for the WPR’s passage. Congress passed the WPR over Nixon’s veto in 1973, arguing such actions violated congressional war powers.
- Count: 1 instance.
- Gerald Ford (1974–1977):
- Mayaguez Incident (1975): Ford ordered military action to rescue U.S. merchant ship crew seized by Cambodia without prior congressional approval. The operation was brief, and Ford notified Congress, but some argued it tested the WPR’s limits. This is debated, as the action was seen as a response to an immediate threat.
- Count: 1 instance (debatable).
- Ronald Reagan (1981–1989):
- Lebanon (1982–1983): Reagan deployed Marines to Lebanon as part of a multinational force without explicit congressional authorization. Congress later invoked the WPR to limit the deployment, but Reagan’s initial action was criticized as unilateral.
- Grenada Invasion (1983): Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada without prior congressional approval, citing the need to protect U.S. citizens. He notified Congress within 48 hours, but critics argued it violated the WPR’s intent.
- Libya Airstrikes (1986): Reagan authorized airstrikes on Libya in response to terrorism without congressional approval, relying on Article II.
- Count: 3 instances.
- George H.W. Bush (1989–1993):
- Panama Invasion (1989): Bush ordered the invasion of Panama to oust Manuel Noriega without prior congressional approval, notifying Congress after the fact. Critics argued this violated the WPR.
- Operation Desert Storm (1991): Bush sought and received congressional authorization for the Gulf War, but some criticized initial deployments to Saudi Arabia (Operation Desert Shield) as unilateral. This is less clear-cut, as Bush ultimately complied with the WPR.
- Count: 1–2 instances (Panama clear; Desert Shield debatable).
- Bill Clinton (1993–2001):
- Somalia (1993): Clinton escalated U.S. involvement in Somalia without specific congressional authorization, leading to the Black Hawk Down incident. Critics argued this violated the WPR.
- Bosnia and Kosovo (1995, 1999): Clinton ordered airstrikes in Bosnia and NATO operations in Kosovo without explicit congressional approval, relying on Article II and international mandates. A 1999 court case against Clinton for Kosovo was dismissed, but critics claimed WPR violations.
- Iraq and Sudan Airstrikes (1998): Clinton ordered strikes on Iraq (Operation Desert Fox) and Sudan without new congressional approval, citing existing resolutions and national security.
- Count: 3–4 instances.
- George W. Bush (2001–2009):
- Afghanistan (2001): Bush received the 2001 AUMF post-9/11, but some argue subsequent expansions of operations exceeded its scope.
- Iraq (2003): Bush obtained the 2002 AUMF for Iraq, but critics later argued the administration’s broad use of the AUMF for other operations skirted the WPR’s intent. Bush’s compliance with the WPR was generally formal, as he sought AUMFs, but the broad interpretation of these authorizations was contentious.
- Count: 0–1 instance (debatable due to AUMFs).
- Barack Obama (2009–2017):
- Libya (2011): Obama authorized U.S. participation in NATO airstrikes in Libya without congressional approval, arguing the operation did not constitute “hostilities” under the WPR due to its limited nature. Constitutional scholars like Bruce Ackerman called this a blatant violation, setting a dangerous precedent. Congress criticized but took no formal action.
- Syria (2014–2017): Obama deployed forces to Syria against ISIS, relying on the 2001 AUMF without new congressional authorization. Critics argued this stretched the AUMF beyond its original intent, circumventing the WPR.
- Count: 2 instances.
- Donald Trump (2017–2021, 2025–present):
- As detailed above: 2017 Syria strikes, 2020 Soleimani strike, and 2025 Iran strikes.
- Count: 3 instances.
- Joe Biden (2021–2025):
- Syria Airstrikes (2021): Biden ordered airstrikes on Iranian-backed militias in Syria without new congressional authorization, relying on Article II and the 2001 AUMF. Critics argued this violated the WPR’s intent, though Biden notified Congress within 48 hours.
- Count: 1 instance.
Total Count: - Presidents: At least 8 (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, H.W. Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Biden) have been credibly accused of circumventing the WPR, with Ford’s case being the most debatable.
- Instances: Approximately 15–18 clear instances across these administrations, with additional debatable cases (e.g., Ford’s Mayaguez, Bush’s Desert Shield). The exact number depends on how strictly one defines “circumvention,” as some actions complied with notification requirements but ignored the WPR’s broader intent for congressional authorization.
Notes: - No president has faced successful legal action for WPR violations, as courts typically deem these disputes non-justiciable, leaving resolution to the political branches.
- The 2001 and 2002 AUMFs have been criticized for giving presidents a “blank check” to conduct military operations far beyond their original scope, enabling actions that technically comply with the WPR but undermine its purpose.
- Posts on X reflect sentiment that Trump’s actions are consistent with predecessors like Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama, suggesting the WPR’s flexibility allows such actions. However, these posts are not authoritative and reflect ongoing public debate rather than legal consensus.
Conclusion
Trump arguably circumvented the War Powers Resolution in at least three instances (2017 Syria, 2020 Soleimani, 2025 Iran) by relying on broad executive authority or existing AUMFs without seeking new congressional approval, though his administration complied with notification requirements. Since 1973, at least eight presidents have taken actions alleged to circumvent the WPR, with 15–18 clear instances across their administrations. The WPR’s effectiveness remains limited due to vague definitions of “hostilities,” judicial reluctance to intervene, and Congress’s hesitance to assert its authority,
allowing presidents to exploit legal ambiguities.
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06-22-2025, 10:36 AM
This post was last modified: 06-22-2025, 10:37 AM by putnam6. 
We've heard all the WCSWNFB no here is the BCSTILTH
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06-22-2025, 10:41 AM
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(06-22-2025, 10:36 AM)putnam6 Wrote: We've heard all the WCSWNFB no here is the BCSTILTH
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America is now saying and doing the same thing, especially on this thread - hopefully not a window into the desires of the people of America, only a window into pro-Zionist MAGA which are in miniscule numbers.
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(06-22-2025, 10:30 AM)putnam6 Wrote: So either we deal with another Constitutional crisis or with another ROGUE Middle Eastern Country with nuclear weapons, that screams Death to America and fires 600 missiles at Israel
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If it was that serious, why not show the evidence and have congress vote?
Just three months ago the Intel report was we weren't in danger.
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(06-22-2025, 10:42 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: If it was that serious, why not show the evidence and have congress vote?
Just three months ago the Intel report was we weren't in danger.
Members of congress would have leaked intel to Iran
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(06-22-2025, 10:53 AM)DBCowboy Wrote: Members of congress would have leaked intel to Iran
Nah... That would be Pete Hegseth?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-22-2025, 10:58 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Nah... That would be Pete Hegseth?
Ummmm, not this time.
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(06-22-2025, 10:53 AM)DBCowboy Wrote: Members of congress would have leaked intel to Iran
What would they have leaked? That we were going to strike them?
Weren't we signaling that for the past week, as well as moving B2's and other assets into position?
Not like it was much of a secret.
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No leaks.
The POTUS has this right and if it occurs has to notify Congress. This is not a declaration of war.
Sites Destroyed.
Ramp up US Oil Production. I am sure the Sauds will help also.
No US casualties. In fact, Iran did not even know or react.
To refresh memories. Barack Obama droned Anwar al-Awlaki, a US citizen. He also killed his 16 year old son, a US Citizen. He also sent them billions of dollars.
Enough with the hypocrisy and fake outrage.
Be vigilant.
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