Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

You have to kill not the person by the Iranian Revolution ideology. Only total war can accomplish this. Sorry Andy we will differ on this but you to go in, fight to win. Do some nasty things. The professional armies are sitting there. It's a planetary necessity that militant Islam is destroyed. If you can think of another way. Enlighten me. But from experience living with them I can honestly state you'd be wasting whatever 'Western' theory you can come up with to experiment and negotiate with them. Nothing but total war will ever work. Continuously pounding them. Just remember, this lot don't like it up 'em 

Oh, orby when you need to become the thing, or worse thing to win, you have already lost...

You can't "kill an ideology" through mass war.

It just doesn't work like that.

All you create is resistance, chaos, and long-term radicalisation.

Even WWII shows ideology was defeated through state collapse and occupation, not the extermination of civilians.

Military force alone doesn't produce political legitimacy.

What it does do is usually entrench the very system you're trying to remove...

[Orby]

25 years London will be the head of the Caliphate.

Might wanna start cleaning up at home before wishing hellfire abroad. Mate.

I've never been there bar a day trip when I was at school. I live in actual England's sticks. Never saw a **** till I was 13, a Hindu being honest about it was around 11 a mini bus full of 'em nearly flipped on a roundabout lol. London might as well be on another planet for all I care. let me tell you something, the more south you go the worse it gets over here. It mabe wealthier down south but the people just get ruder the more you go south. If you ever visit just go as far north as you can right into Stranraer etc tbe people are beautiful in comparison. London is hell on Earth. Why would I go there 

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[andy06shake]

Lo what absolute nonsense. Comparing our Muslim to America's  The yanks get some local native blacks who converted or some Lebanese businessmen or Syrian Sunii ladies. Nothing at all compared to our effectively inbred (true cousain marrige) Kashmiris from the backwards mountain ranges of northern Pakistan and India. Totally, totally a different world 

 
Thats just racist stereotyping dressed up as analysis.

Muslims in the UK are not a single "type".

They're ethnically diverse, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Arab, African, convert communities, etc.

Same as we are...

And just like in the U.S Cousin marriage exists in some communities, but it's not universal, and not unique to Muslims either.

How many Muslims do you know again, Orby, or interact with on a daily basis?

[Orby]

“At first they came for….and I didn’t say anything.”

I remember when this was written by a Jew detailing the Nazi Forces atrocities.

Speaking of history and understanding.

Total flippin incomparable nonsense! The jews weren't spreading international state sponsored terror (though you might say they were spreading Socialism) or attempting to get their hands on nukes (weapons)

[SteamyAmerican]

Total flippin incomparable nonsense! The jews weren't spreading international state sponsored terror (though you might say they were spreading Socialism) or attempting to get their hands on nukes (weapons)

Oh?

How times have changed.

[andy06shake]

Total flippin incomparable nonsense! The jews weren't spreading international state sponsored terror (though you might say they were spreading Socialism) or attempting to get their hands on nukes (weapons)

The problem being it is widely assessed by governments and analysts around the globe that Israel possesses nuclear weapons.

Probably to the tune of around 90 warheads or so.

None of which is justification for total war against 90 million Iranians...

Or for that matter, the Holocaust, and/or the state-sponsored genocide carried out by Nazi Germany.

[Orby]

 
Thats just racist stereotyping dressed up as analysis.

Muslims in the UK are not a single "type".

They're ethnically diverse, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Arab, African, convert communities, etc.

Same as we are...

And just like in the U.S Cousin marriage exists in some communities, but it's not universal, and not unique to Muslims either.

How many Muslims do you know again, Orby, or interact with on a daily basis?

There's no racism whatsoever. Yankee Muslims and British muslims are a completely different thing. We just happened to have an Empire or an ex Empire and sourced cheap labour from our own domain. Totally different. Yet they are still Muslim. 

Cousian marriages yes they exists in the hillbillies from what I've heard, or the muslims too in the USA. But not to the extent that they marry into their own as over here. Because we got the lions share as the kashmiri type of Muslim and they aim to marry a cousain. It's not hearsay Andy. It's a fact and most people know it. That's why some kashmiri's lookn real weird. Not being racist it's a fact. Somke Kashmiri's are stunningly beautiful, but that a racial thing. That's irrelevant here, we are talking family traditions of 'our' muslims and it's just a fact that given half a chance, the British Kashmiri will marry a cousain. You can tell by looking at them. Ashkenazi jews have the same issue. Some are stunningly beautiful but some look a bit weird, that being because they are largely all descended from 400 Jewish individuals who survied the Crusades in eastern Europe from the Medeival period, if we go farther back to the time of the beginning of the European Jewish diaspora they pretty much all share their maternal descent from 8 Italian ladies the 8 Jewish men took on as wives 2,000 years ago. They marry their cousains on that basis too with the evident results. These things are just facts. Kashmiri muslims, here in the UK suffer from this to tthis day. 

My daily interaction with Muslims? Zero at work. They don't actually want to work in 'normal' industries like the Polish or African immigrants do. The muslim only goes for jobs where they can work in cash trade and avoid tax, then get her indoors pregnant with masses of little Muslims then claim every benefit known to man, you know the fulls works, free house, employment benefites, disability / other becomes the carer, free disability cars. You know the game they play. I work in the honest sector, pay my taxes, do everything properly like most natives British peoples plus migrants from ghana and Poland, also honst types. The odd pop into a Muslim shop, but I go to Lidl as much as possible. because I work in the honest sector I have no interaction with them, bar seeing an army of them marching past each day in black hoods, outfits, telephone boxes hats, veils, some with chains too on them. I drive past lots of fake vape stores and Hairdressers. Lots of them around. I just have no interaction as they form their own communities, don't want to work in ours, increasing don't assimilate but go the other way in creating a state within a state. See them on marches at weekends, protesting about Gaza, their first steps in flexing their muscles. No interaction whatsoever. I do mix with Hindus, Sikhs, African migrants, but they all assimilate more or less very well.

[Orby]

The problem being it is widely assessed by governments and analysts around the globe that Israel possesses nuclear weapons.

Probably to the tune of around 90 warheads or so.

None of which is justification for total war against 90 million Iranians...

Or for that matter, the Holocaust, and/or the state-sponsored genocide carried out by Nazi Germany.

Ever watched Manhattan project? They invented 'em, along with others too. Of all countries, Israel has a right to them. Iran are just thieves. Well, they aren't stealing this time, courtesy of Bibi and Trump and the backing of Saudi etc.

[Orby]

Oh?

How times have changed.

Yeah. Well it's just the way it is. We don't invent the way international PTB things work 

[andy06shake]

There's no racism whatsoever. Yankee Muslims and British muslims are a completely different thing. We just happened to have an Empire or an ex Empire and sourced cheap labour from our own domain. Totally different. Yet they are still Muslim. 

Cousian marriages yes they exists in the hillbillies from what I've heard, or the muslims too in the USA. But not to the extent that they marry into their own as over here. Because we got the lions share as the kashmiri type of Muslim and they aim to marry a cousain. It's not hearsay Andy. It's a fact and most people know it. That's why some kashmiri's lookn real weird. Not being racist it's a fact. Somke Kashmiri's are stunningly beautiful, but that a racial thing. That's irrelevant here, we are talking family traditions of 'our' muslims and it's just a fact that given half a chance, the British Kashmiri will marry a cousain. You can tell by looking at them. Ashkenazi jews have the same issue. Some are stunningly eautiful but some look a bit weird, that being because they are largely all descended from 400 individuals from the Medeival period, if we go farther back to the time of the beginning of the European diaspora they pretty much all share their maternal descent from 8 Italian ladies the 8 Jewish men took on as wives 2,000 years. They marry their cousains on that basis too with the evident results. These things are just facts. kashmiri muslims, here in the UK suffer from this to tthis day. 

My daily interaction with Muslims? Zero at work. They don't actually want to work in 'normal' industries like the Polish or African immigrants do. The muslim only goes for jobs where they can work in cash trade and avoid tax, then get her indoors pregnant with masses of little Muslims then claim every benefit known to man, you know the fulls works, free house, employment benefites, disability / other becomes the carer, free disability cares. Yu know the game they play. I work in the honest sector, pay my taxes, do everything properly like most natives British peoples plus migrants from ghana and Poland, also honst types. The odd pop into a Muslim shop, but I go to Lidl as much as possible. because I work in the honest sector I have no interaction with them, bar seeing an army of them marching past each day in black hoods, outfits, telephone boxes hats, veils, some with chains too on them. I drive past lots of fake vape stores and Hairdressers. Lots of them around. I just have no interaction as they form their own communities, don't want to work in ours, increasing don't assimilate but go the other way in creating a state within a state. See them on marches at weekends, protesting about Gaza, their first steps in flexing their muscles. No interaction whatsoever. I do mix with Hindus, Sikhs, African migrants, but they all assimilate more or less very well.

Thats just mixing anecdotes, more stereotypes, and selective claims, rather than actual facts.
 
British Muslims are not a single group. 

As i have said, they're Pakistani, they're Bangladeshi, they're Kashmiri, Arab, African...all sorts of different types and nationalities. 

And you can see that in any area with a larger Muslim population.

Your claims about them "not working" being on "benefits" or "avoiding tax" simply are not supported by data.

British Muslims are employed across healthcare, transport, retail, business, and all sorts of different public services.
 
And visibly "spotting" genetics or intent from appearance is not how biology or sociology works.

That's just pattern-filling, not evidence.

I have to ponder if you speak to these Hindus, Sikhs, and African migrants in the same or similar tone you present here, Orby?

Because, quite frankly, in the real world, you can no longer speak to people like that or present some of the ideologies you appear to harbour in public, or in the workplace, without incurring some serious repercussions.

I get that you are just trying to be yourself, mate, but ffs thats one hell of a large bag of misplaced hatred to be carrying about.

Muslims are not coming to get you, Orby, the tax man, and criminals on the other hand...