Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

Ever watched Manhattan project? They invented 'em, along with others too. Of all countries, Israel has a right to them. Iran are just thieves. Well, they aren't stealing this time, courtesy of Bibi and Trump and the backing of Saudi etc.

 

Nuclear weapons were developed through physics research, not politics.

Mainly in the US during World War II.

And no modern country "has a right" to them under international law.

The goal is, and should continue to be, non-proliferation, not entitlement...

[Orby]

Thats just mixing anecdotes, more stereotypes, and selective claims, rather than actual facts.
 
British Muslims are not a single group. 

As i have said, they're Pakistani, they're Bangladeshi, they're Kashmiri, Arab, African...all sorts of different types and nationalities. 

And you can see that in any area with a larger Muslim population.

Your claims about them "not working" being on "benefits" or "avoiding tax" simply are not supported by data.

British Muslims are employed across healthcare, transport, retail, business, and all sorts of different public services.
 
And visibly "spotting" genetics or intent from appearance is not how biology or sociology works.

That's just pattern-filling, not evidence.

I have to ponder if you speak to these Hindus, Sikhs, and African migrants in the same or similar tone you present here, Orby?

Because, quite frankly, in the real world, you can no longer speak to people like that or present some of the ideologies you appear to harbour in public, or in the workplace, without incurring some serious repercussions.

I get that you are just trying to be yourself, mate, but ffs thats one hell of a large bag of misplaced hatred to be carrying about.

Muslims are not coming to get you, Orby, the tax man, and criminals on the other hand...

There's no hatred at all people are people. You just got to watch muslims as it's not gonna be a rasta or an eskimo who'se going to behead you in a public park or blow up the bus, opera house, train, musical event or festival one attends. You might be as pc and liberal as anyone but it's just a fact that a Rasta is probably not going to execute you at the same threat level a muslim is. Just a fact. Not hatred. 

Just remember how liberal and pc you are if you make it to another 30 years time, then look back at what's happened to our island and continent during that time line. Bataclan, 7/7, Manchester Arena there is a trend and plenty more coming. Muslims are behind all these attacks but you keep accepting them into our society and defending them at every level. No amount of Islamic immigration is too much for the lefty liberals whatever terror Muslims bring with them.

[SteamyAmerican]

Ever watched Manhattan project? They invented 'em, along with others too. Of all countries, Israel has a right to them. Iran are just thieves. Well, they aren't stealing this time, courtesy of Bibi and Trump and the backing of Saudi etc.

Okay. I’ll play.

If Israel has a right to them, they have an obligation to play by the IAEA like everyone else.

Right?

[andy06shake]

There's no hatred at all people are people. You just got to watch muslims as it's not gonna be a rasta or an eskimo who'se going to behead you in a public park or blow up the bus, opera house, train, musical event or festival one attends. You might be as pc and liberal as anyone but it's just a fact that a Rasta is probably not going to execute you at the same threat level a muslim is. Just a fact. Not hatred. 

Just remember how liberal and pc you are if you make it to another 30 years time, then look back at what's happened to our island and continent during that time line. Bataclan, 7/7, Manchester Arena there is a trend and plenty more coming. Muslims are behind all these attacks but you keep accepting them into our society and defending them at every level. No amount of Islamic immigration is too much for the lefty liberals whatever terror Muslims bring with them.

But that isn't logic, Orby.

It's fear plus cherry-picked headlines stitched into a story about an entire religion.
 
You're taking a few brutal, high-profile attacks and stretching them over millions of people as if that's evidence of intent or probability.

Thats just not how risk works, it is, however, how bias works.
 
Not to mention you're completely ignoring that extremism isn't exclusive to one religion.

Or the fact that most victims of these attacks are ordinary people from the same communities you're blaming.

[SteamyAmerican]

But that isn't logic, Orby.

It's fear plus cherry-picked headlines stitched into a story about an entire religion.
 
You're taking a few brutal, high-profile attacks and stretching them over millions of people as if that's evidence of intent or probability.

Thats just not how risk works, it is, however, how bias works.
 
Not to mention you're completely ignoring that extremism isn't exclusive to one religion.

Or the fact that most victims of these attacks are ordinary people from the same communities you're blaming.

Right? Thank you!

Next I’m gonna hear the Samson Option is actually a good thing.

 

[andy06shake]

Right? Thank you!

Next I’m gonna hear the Samson Option is actually a good thing.

 

I don't really think there are any good options when it comes to nuclear war.
 
But we do live in a MAD world, where deterrence is a thing.
 
Morally troubling, but still the colour of the day…

Until it isn't, I suppose.

Which is the terrifying part. 

Ignore me all the same.

Ive been this way since they fed me "Threads" in the 80s. 

[Orby]

Okay. I’ll play.

If Israel has a right to them, they have an obligation to play by the IAEA like everyone else.

Right?

No because Jewish refugees had a major hand in inventing nuke. Arabs and Persians didn't so they have to get authorisation from TPTB to acquire or develop nukes.

That's the way it works and that's why this thread exists.

Right?

[Orby]

But that isn't logic, Orby.

It's fear plus cherry-picked headlines stitched into a story about an entire religion.
 
You're taking a few brutal, high-profile attacks and stretching them over millions of people as if that's evidence of intent or probability.

Thats just not how risk works, it is, however, how bias works.
 
Not to mention you're completely ignoring that extremism isn't exclusive to one religion.

Or the fact that most victims of these attacks are ordinary people from the same communities you're blaming.

You see Andy, you're intent on steering this whole thread towards an ethno / religious angle where there shouldn't be one. What we are talking about is the attack on Iran to prevent a proven state sponsor of worldwide terror from acquiring nuclear weapons and the missile technology to deliver them. Iran needs stopping. The alliance has done well so far. Until Iran hands over the nuclear material and signs up to agree not to pursue nuclear weapons then the attacks will continue, one way or another.

[andy06shake]

You see Andy, you're intent on steering this whole thread towards an ethno / religious angle where there shouldn't be one. What we are talking about is the attack on Iran to prevent a proven state sponsor of worldwide terror from acquiring nuclear weapons and the missile technology to deliver them. Iran needs stopping. The alliance has done well so far. Until Iran hands over the nuclear material and signs up to agree not to pursue nuclear weapons then the attacks will continue, one way or another.

I hardly think it's the direction in which I'm steering the thread that's problematic.

Im not the one making bold blanket statements about an entire religion or promoting total war against 90 million people.

That said, I'm afraid you're sidestepping the point.
 
Whether Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism or not doesn't make every military action automatically justified.
 
Claims about its nuclear program remain disputed.
 
Bombing doesn't erase the legal or humanitarian questions that arise.
 
And "they need stopping" is a slogan, not an argument.
 
You can't bomb for peace. Here's another slogan. 

[Oldcarpy2]

There's no hatred at all people are people. You just got to watch muslims as it's not gonna be a rasta or an eskimo who'se going to behead you in a public park or blow up the bus, opera house, train, musical event or festival one attends. You might be as pc and liberal as anyone but it's just a fact that a Rasta is probably not going to execute you at the same threat level a muslim is. Just a fact. Not hatred. 

Just remember how liberal and pc you are if you make it to another 30 years time, then look back at what's happened to our island and continent during that time line. Bataclan, 7/7, Manchester Arena there is a trend and plenty more coming. Muslims are behind all these attacks but you keep accepting them into our society and defending them at every level. No amount of Islamic immigration is too much for the lefty liberals whatever terror Muslims bring with them.

I'm guessing you are too young to remember the IRAs terrorist bombings in the UK....