Trump says he bombed Iran

[Orby]

Dang. Persia’s been around for 5000+ years. Meanwhile America is only 250

And Total War is a weird way to describe the decimation of a people and their country when all I’m reading is the “fragile ceasefire is being tested daily in the headlines. Meanwhile what you describe is actually occurring in Gaza and Lebanon. Odd that ain’t it?

Strange Days.

Well that's 5,000 years too long. Time for a bit of liberation. Iran has got to go. Sorry if you don't like what's being 'tested' on in Gaza yet that's the way to do it! These primitive foreigners don't understand things like "fragile ceasefires" they just understand Caterpillars and JCB's. just remember. It works.

[andy06shake]

Rubbish! Total war works wonders. It 'is' war! The German's and Russians fought total war in their battle for dominance in central and eastern Europe. Total war destroyed one of them. If not both. Yet by winning WW2 the USSR destroyed the ideology of Nazism. The same process can be used against Iran. The West has the capabilities to completely destroy the Iranian Revolution. It's just having the will and nerve to use this capability that holds the planet back from destroying the Iranian Revolution once and for all. Don't get me wrong, there will be casualties. Millions of them. Yet for the greater good it will be worth it, just like the Soviet sacrifice in WW2. Iran needs to go. There can be no other way.

What you are talking is rubbish, Orby.

You're cherry-picking history as usual. 

Nazi Germany wasn't defeated because all the civilians were exterminated.

It was defeated because its military, industry, and leadership were overwhelmed by an Allied coalition.

A coalition with vastly superior resources and combined military might at its disposal. 

The Soviet victory came at an unimaginable human cost.

Not because slaughtering millions is some magic formula for victory. 

Applying that sort of logic to Iran ignores every lesson modern conflict has taught us.

And destroying cities doesn't erase ideas.

All it does is radicalise the survivors and creates decades of instability.

If your solution starts with millions of casualties, it's already morally and strategically bankrupt.

[SteamyAmerican]

Why keep bringing up 90 million Iranians? Yes 10% support the regime, so a few of them will probably die. Yet at 10% it's 9 million, basically the same as the number of Germans died in WW2. With a similar start off population including Austria. To rid the world of militant Shia Islam? To me completely worth it. Because if it doesn't happen and Iran gets the nuke, which it might, then we are all in for it.

The fact you are articulating this while championing it as an actual option is beyond disturbing.

They’ve had 50 years. Turn off the news. Besides the cat’s out the bag and it’s all over your EU. You let these folks in. You think nuking Iran ain’t gonna have repercussions the world over? Seriously?

Seriously. Touch grass and get some sunshine.

[SteamyAmerican]

Well that's 5,000 years too long. Time for a bit of liberation. Iran has got to go. Sorry if you don't like what's being 'tested' on in Gaza yet that's the way to do it! These primitive foreigners don't understand things like "fragile ceasefires" they just understand Caterpillars and JCB's. just remember. It works.

“At first they came for….and I didn’t say anything.”

I remember when this was written by a Jew detailing the Nazi Forces atrocities.

Speaking of history and understanding.

[andy06shake]

Why keep bringing up 90 million Iranians? Yes 10% support the regime, so a few of them will probably die. Yet at 10% it's 9 million, basically the same as the number of Germans died in WW2. With a similar start off population including Austria. To rid the world of militant Shia Islam? To me completely worth it. Because if it doesn't happen and Iran gets the nuke, which it might, then we are all in for it.

Stab in the dark because there are 90 million Iranians.

Total war didn't solve anything historically, Orby.

The devastation of the Second World War created the Cold War and nuclear escalation.

Civilians aren't a military system.

And again, destroying society doesn't erase ideology.

All it serves to achieve is to strengthen it and reinforce the notion.

Again, we have been through this before...

Killing 90 million Iranians would solve little and create more problems in the long run.

[Orby]

The fact you are articulating this while championing it as an actual option is beyond disturbing.

They’ve had 50 years. Turn off the news. Besides the cat’s out the bag and it’s all over your EU. You let these folks in. You think nuking Iran ain’t gonna have repercussions the world over? Seriously?

Seriously. Touch grass and get some sunshine.

All of my EU? What Muslims? First I'm British not in the EU. Secondly I didn't let 'em in! I haven't got a problem with the Hindus Jews Rastas you name it but Muslims are an issue, but me letting them in? It was our insane government post WW2 when they'd killed off our young ones fighting against the Nazis and we had no one to work the norths textile mills, so we let in all the Kashmiris Pakis then and they stayed. I did nothing. Anyway it's no problem here in the UK, we let a rook of hindus and Sikhs in too and they are totally British and on our side. The authorities only let muslims live in the cities by just letting them build their mosques there, so when the time comes they can be rounded up very efficiently. It's not a long term problem, and 'I@ certainly didn't let them in. The UE though is totally screwed 

[andy06shake]

All of my EU? What Muslims? First I'm British not in the EU. Secondly I didn't let 'em in! I haven't got a problem with the Hindus Jews Rastas you name it but Muslims are an issue, but me letting them in? It was our insane government post WW2 when they'd killed off our young ones fighting against the Nazis and we had no one to work the norths textile mills, so we let in all the Kashmiris Pakis then and they stayed. I did nothing. Anyway it's no problem here in the UK, we let a rook of hindus and Sikhs in too and they are totally British and on our side. The authorities only let muslims live in the cities by just letting them build their mosques there, so when the time comes they can be rounded up very efficiently. It's not a long term problem, and 'I@ certainly didn't let them in. The UE though is totally screwed 

Technically, the United States has more Muslims than the UK in absolute numbers, so...

But we have a higher percentage of Muslims in terms of population density.

The vast majority of such all pay taxes, are employed, and contribute to society in a meaningful manner.

So if you wish to round them up and put them in camps, Orby, i suggest you are on the same page as Adolf Sniffler aka Tommy 10 names, and that's not a good look...

[Orby]

Stab in the dark because there are 90 million Iranians.

Total war didn't solve anything historically, Orby.

The devastation of the Second World War created the Cold War and nuclear escalation.

Civilians aren't a military system.

And again, destroying society doesn't erase ideology.

All it serves to achieve is to strengthen it and reinforce the notion.

Again, we have been through this before...

Killing 90 million Iranians would solve little and create more problems in the long run.

You have to kill not the person by the Iranian Revolution ideology. Only total war can accomplish this. Sorry Andy we will differ on this but you to go in, fight to win. Do some nasty things. The professional armies are sitting there. It's a planetary necessity that militant Islam is destroyed. If you can think of another way. Enlighten me. But from experience living with them I can honestly state you'd be wasting whatever 'Western' theory you can come up with to experiment and negotiate with them. Nothing but total war will ever work. Continuously pounding them. Just remember, this lot don't like it up 'em 

[SteamyAmerican]

All of my EU? What Muslims? First I'm British not in the EU. Secondly I didn't let 'em in! I haven't got a problem with the Hindus Jews Rastas you name it but Muslims are an issue, but me letting them in? It was our insane government post WW2 when they'd killed off our young ones fighting against the Nazis and we had no one to work the norths textile mills, so we let in all the Kashmiris Pakis then and they stayed. I did nothing. Anyway it's no problem here in the UK, we let a rook of hindus and Sikhs in too and they are totally British and on our side. The authorities only let muslims live in the cities by just letting them build their mosques there, so when the time comes they can be rounded up very efficiently. It's not a long term problem, and 'I@ certainly didn't let them in. The UE though is totally screwed 

25 years London will be the head of the Caliphate.

Might wanna start cleaning up at home before wishing hellfire abroad. Mate.

[Orby]

Technically, the United States has more Muslims than the UK in absolute numbers, so...

But we have a higher percentage of Muslims in terms of population density.

The vast majority of such all pay taxes, are employed, and contribute to society in a meaningful manner.

Lo what absolute nonsense. Comparing our Muslim to America's  The yanks get some local native blacks who converted or some Lebanese businessmen or Syrian Sunii ladies. Nothing at all compared to our effectively inbred (true cousain marrige) Kashmiris from the backwards mountain ranges of northern Pakistan and India. Totally, totally a different world