Trump says he bombed Iran

[IDELB2006]

Pete Hegseth  stated at the start of the campaign that the military was going to go in and fight to win. Time to finish off Iran once and for all. All this pandering to the Mullahs nonsense, negotiating with these nutters is just crazy. They play games. Best bet, just finish the job

Easier said than done. That could take years.

[vonclod]

So Iran is clearly in the wrong. They violated the seize fire they agreed to.  They are a menace attacking cargo ships that are passing through the Hormuz strait. FAFO 

Yet there are still a few leftists  clinging to their nonsense beliefs about Trump. 

I'm not a leftist, but none of this would be happening if Israel didn't order Trump to hit Iran to begin with..and I'm not buying "tHe nUkE wAs tWo wEeKs aWaY" bullshit.

But fair to say I'm fucking furious at Iran too.

[EXETER]

Pete Hegseth  stated at the start of the campaign that the military was going to go in and fight to win. Time to finish off Iran once and for all. All this pandering to the Mullahs nonsense, negotiating with these nutters is just crazy. They play games. Best bet, just finish the job

You need to seriously consider the possibility that Pete Hegseth is a lying POS.  Just like his boss.

[Orby]

Easier said than done. That could take years.

Really? Surely with modern tech Trump can dismantle the Iranian regime. I'm pretty convinced that Bibi would take the Mullahs out far quicker if he had a military the size of Americas.

[Orby]

You need to seriously consider the possibility that Pete Hegseth is a lying POS.  Just like his boss.

Yeah, know where you're coming from. It's rather strange that the Mullahs regime still exists. Same with Putin. The Ukraine regime also still exists. Both Trump and Putin are in the same boat. Maybe that's part of the plan.

[Astyanax]

Yeah, nihilist me says, I am merely a wage slave, cog, useful empath getting indoctrinated to believe in artificial devices constructed by humans seeking to exploit the lesser peons of existence.  

I think you may be reading some things into what I wrote that I didn’t intend to imply.

No need to feel apathetic and nihilistic; there are better ways to live. To feel trapped within a system means you have already adopted, perhaps without realising it, the products and values of the system.

But this goes very deep. I was talking about culture, which is something we all participate in creating. It certainly is not confined to the rich. I think you see American society as inhabited by one set of people (the general public) but created by another: the rich. This is not true of any human society. We all participate in the construction and maintenance, and the result is a joint (though not always a cooperative) effort.

The problem in the West is that the balance is somewhat skewed. This is due to the power of the media, which favour the rich. It has been like this since the late nineteenth century at least, and not just in America. Have we not forgotten what Proust knew back in his day, that ‘the news’ is just another form of mind-numbing commercial entertainment?

Adam Smith was right when he observed that businessmen, when they get together, invariably conspire against the public. But the concept of a vast elite conspiracy of the kind so many members of this site believe in makes no sense to me. I am familiar with the values and ideals of the elite; they are not uniform, and there’s plenty of friction and division among members.
 

Social Media IS NOT a free speech soap box for anyone but the owner, who is the only one protected by the constitution in the equation.

Well, of course. But when you use it, you play into the owners’ hands. You make a gift of your free speech to them.
 

But as long as you can still stand on the sidewalk outside their headquarters and hold a sign saying the same thing, no freedom is really lost.

A rather modest aspiration if you hope to ‘take back the country.’
 

And I know what you mean about the certain parts of the country, but there isnt as much mixing as you'd think, we dont have red and blue states so much as urban and rural. 

I meant that there are parts of your country where, for all the legal freedom citizens enjoy, they are bound tightly by culture and custom, and their words and actions are restricted to those their neighbours will accept. Any transgression would be dangerous, even physically in many cases. This is, by the way, true of all countries and yes, the cultural divide is often urban vs rural.

[Astyanax]

Surely with modern tech Trump can dismantle the Iranian regime.

This is your basic error. It is, in fact, a delusion shared by many in the US, and in your country too.

You’re too impressed with all the whizzbangs and flashy gadgets. 

Apart from a couple of minuscule military actions in Latin America, the US has lost every war it has fought since 1945. In my opinion, it lost exactly because its leaders put too much faith in money and machines. The people who beat them used things like punji sticks and homemade roadside bombs. The best they could do for mechanised transport was a Toyota HiLux. Their ‘bases’ were caves and the back rooms of their own homes.

Think on this, and learn better.

[IDELB2006]

Really? Surely with modern tech Trump can dismantle the Iranian regime. I'm pretty convinced that Bibi would take the Mullahs out far quicker if he had a military the size of Americas.

Tech can only get us so far. 
Netanyahu's military gains were all made block by block thru city streets, bulldozing buildings as he went. He might have full control over 60% of Gaza after 2 years of fighting. That's not even 1% of Iran.

[Orby]

Tech can only get us so far. 
Netanyahu's military gains were all made block by block thru city streets, bulldozing buildings as he went. He might have full control over 60% of Gaza after 2 years of fighting. That's not even 1% of Iran.

Gaza might only be 1% of Iran, but the USA has got 40 x Israel's population! They can do it!

The States has a pro army too! Israel's is made up of everyone. Lots of them aren't really physically made of what it takes to do the job. Kids, fatties you name it. They are just conscripts. The USA military is professional, those people are there through choice, they want to fight. It's just letting them do it that's the problem. They need to go in and kill. Pure killing. Do the job. That's real war. Stalingrad spec.

[Orby]

This is your basic error. It is, in fact, a delusion shared by many in the US, and in your country too.

You’re too impressed with all the whizzbangs and flashy gadgets. 

Apart from a couple of minuscule military actions in Latin America, the US has lost every war it has fought since 1945. In my opinion, it lost exactly because its leaders put too much faith in money and machines. The people who beat them used things like punji sticks and homemade roadside bombs. The best they could do for mechanised transport was a Toyota HiLux. Their ‘bases’ were caves and the back rooms of their own homes.

Think on this, and learn better.

What error? What Learn better? Whizzbangs and flashy gadgets? I'm talking TOTAL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!

The only issue is the Yanks are held back by the c*ck sucking pc liberal lefty brigade into attempting to do the right thing, in view of the cameras, fighting a war as we did in Afghanistan for 'heart and minds.'What a load of total nonsense. 

When it come to Iran the time is now. Full on total obliteration of all cities. Level every building Ariel Sharon style to the ground. Kill anything that moves. All police stations, power plants, indeed EVERY bridge take them out. The whole lot. Let society collapse in on itself. Arm the local Kurds and Arabs to the absolute teeth and let them destroy Persian culture right down to the footing stones. Then send in the ground forces. Just keep killing anything that moves. Total war will rid the world of the menace known right now as Iran. They've had their chance to reform and give up the nukes. Time to destroy the threat for the good of humanity then do something new with the place. I'm pretty sure Trump can come up with some ideas of what to build over the embers.