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(06-15-2026, 01:42 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Yeah, so much winning.
.. like Yeah. As Israel goes from strength to strength and all threats are eliminated, while the West keeps it's all important naval bases in the Arab and P  ersian Gulf. It's game on for sure.
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(06-15-2026, 01:46 PM)Orby Wrote: Yeah. As Israel goes from strength to strength and all threats are eliminated, while the West keeps it's all important naval bases in the Arab and P ersian Gulf. It's game on for sure.
Naval bases? Were they ever threatened?
Meanwhile, Israel doesn't want this deal and will probably wreck it.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-15-2026, 02:03 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Naval bases? Were they ever threatened?
Meanwhile, Israel doesn't want this deal and will probably wreck it.
A peaceful Iran might mean the bases are no longer needed for Arab protection.
Israel doesn't want this deal............. Why would they? Chaos is want they want.
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(06-15-2026, 02:15 PM)Orby Wrote: A peaceful Iran might mean the bases are no longer needed for Arab protection.
Israel doesn't want this deal............. Why would they? Chaos is want they want.
Go on, try to sell me this "deal". So far, I'm not buying it.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-15-2026, 02:43 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Go on, try to sell me this "deal". So far, I'm not buying it. The whole thing is planned out. I have no idea if Trump knows what he got involved with when he became President or was 'persuaded' to launch the strikes on Iran. But he's in the game now. Fully involved.
I met a few young Ultra Orthodox from a Gateshead Yeshiva on a plane around 2005, or close. Sat next to them on the flight. I mentioned how lucky they were that just by 'chance' the Iraqi threat had been neutralised. They replied that Iran was next on the list. I asked them how on Earyth Israel was going to take on a nation with ten times the population. One replied with big smiles "The Yanks will fix it for us." It came true
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(06-15-2026, 02:51 PM)Orby Wrote: The whole thing is planned out. I have no idea if Trump knows what he got involved with when he became President or was 'persuaded' to launch the strikes on Iran. But he's in the game now. Fully involved.
I met a few young Ultra Orthodox from a Gateshead Yeshiva on a plane around 2005, or close. Sat next to them on the flight. I mentioned how lucky they were that just by 'chance' the Iraqi threat had been neutralised. They replied that Iran was next on the list. I asked them how on Earyth Israel was going to take on a nation with ten times the population. One replied with big smiles "The Yanks will fix it for us." It came true 
Exactly. But they haven't . It's a crap ceasefire, at best.
Which Israel will wreck.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-15-2026, 02:15 PM)Orby Wrote: A peaceful Iran might mean the bases are no longer needed for Arab protection.
Israel doesn't want this deal............. Why would they? Chaos is want they want.
No Orby, Iran wants money. Billions and billions of it.
Under the previous deal, Iran got $8 billion of its own money that had been locked-up to force it into a deal to prevent Iran from getting nukes.
But Trump didn't agree with those terms, because he thought that the USA was giving away their money to Iran (he is fairly thick) and he broke the US's part of the international agreement. Notably, Iran still kept to the terms of the agreement for years after, anyway.
Now in Trump's "peace deal", he is giving away $25 billion of US money to Iran, with a promise of $300 billion more, plus Iran gets to collect millions in tolls from each ship passing through the Straits of Hormuz.
Art of the deal? LOL. We all know the war was a failed attempt to distract from the Trumstein crimes before the mid-terms.
Get rid of the guy before he screws the US over any further.
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(06-15-2026, 03:20 PM)chr0naut Wrote: No Iran wants money. Billions and billions of it.
Under the previous deal, Iran got $8 billion of its own money that had been locked-up to force it into a deal to prevent Iran from getting nukes.
But Trump didn't agree with those terms, because he thought that the USA was giving away their money to Iran (he is fairly thick).
Now in Trump's peace deal, he is giving away $25 billion of US money to Iran, with a promise of $300 billion more, plus Iran gets to collect millions in tolls from each ship passing through the Straits of Hormuz.
Art of the deal? LOL.
Get rid of the guy before he screws the US over any further.
He's rubbish at deals. More like a McDonald's munching surrender Monkey.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-15-2026, 03:20 PM)chr0naut Wrote: No Orby, Iran wants money. Billions and billions of it.
Under the previous deal, Iran got $8 billion of its own money that had been locked-up to force it into a deal to prevent Iran from getting nukes.
But Trump didn't agree with those terms, because he thought that the USA was giving away their money to Iran (he is fairly thick) and he broke the US's part of the international agreement. Notably, Iran still kept to the terms of the agreement for years after, anyway.
Now in Trump's "peace deal", he is giving away $25 billion of US money to Iran, with a promise of $300 billion more, plus Iran gets to collect millions in tolls from each ship passing through the Straits of Hormuz.
Art of the deal? LOL. We all know the war was a failed attempt to distract from the Trumstein crimes before the mid-terms.
Get rid of the guy before he screws the US over any further.
Under the previous deal (the JCPOA) Iran got back $400 million of their own money plus interest, for a total of $1.7 Billion.
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(06-15-2026, 03:34 PM)EXETER Wrote: Under the previous deal (the JCPOA) Iran got back $400 million of their own money plus interest, for a total of $1.7 Billion.
Yes, I believe that was in the terms of the original deal.
But Orby appears to believe Trumb, so I thought it easier to use the amount that he has repeated several times, and here's an independent article from 2013 that references that amount and which probably is what Trumb has been talking about:
Iranian media: US unfreezes $8 billion in assets
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