Trump says he bombed Iran

[Orby]

That is like saying that everyone who can make a machete has a right to attack people with it.

The following nations also have nukes, and all of them developed their nukes entirely without the assistance of the USA; Russia, China, France, United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I know that Australia and a few other countries also have secret nukes, too. An Aussie scientist named Oliphant was a key player in both the British and US bomb development efforts, so Aussies are in the 'nuke development' club.

Trump has suggested that Iran was developing their own bomb. By your logic, wouldn't that make Iran a member of the 'home made nuclear weapons' association?


The Yanks nuked their own forces, too. And 'tested' on Pacific Islanders.


And the Yanks didn't do just that?


Um, I don't know much about Bibi, but Decrepit Donald and Rambozo Pete are hardly hardly poster boys of the advanced and sophisticated.

You are trying to sidetrack the subjuect of Iran gaining nukes, by comparing this hotheaded primitive society to those of the west. Who gives a monkeys if Ozzies get the nukes. Sure it best to keep it to ourself the big 5 SC members plus the Indians as they are a great power and semi sensible and Israeli's as there people invented them. Nobody in the third world is deserved of the technology. When the Africaaners gave there nation away to the bantus they knew this. They knew you couldn't trust a primitive society wity nukes, so they gave them back to TPTB. Similar was Kazach, also Ukraine gave them away for many reasons and they weren't a real nation anyway for the longterm just a flash in the pan experimental regime. Only the PTB can have nukes, especially ones that play ball. There is no way the Mullahs can be allowed nukes. Whatever you think of Don and Pete, at least they are doing something. Unlike those previous idiots who thought you can deal with a regime that perpetrate 7/10 Argentinian welfare centre, state sponsored terror around the world. Whatever you believe, to me and countless people around the world we think Don and Pete are the best thing since sliced bread.

[Orby]

And that is just revisionism and racism dressed up as logic.

Nuclear weapons aren't "owned" by the West.

They're technology, not moral property.

The US dropping them on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed civilians and remains deeply contested.

Although personally i think they did save lives by doing so, but that doesn't change who did it or why.

Calling Japanese people a "horrid race" is racist, not historical.

How do you imagine they see our past, considering what the likes of Jesuits attempted to perpetrate? 

Talking about "eradicating" entire groups is genocidal thinking, mate...

Again, what happens when you tell people that they cannot have a thing?

Have a go at answering the question, please.

That's not racist, the [Japanese] in WW2 were exceptionally crual. Not the current [Japanese], they are brilliant. I admire everything about them. Love their cars. Have a Toyota, even built them in the 90's at there factory. Love their engineering. If they'd taken over much of our industry would be still operating, they brilliant. One never threatens a people btw, your right that is genocidal. What one can do is threaten to eliminate Iran. The regime. Please remember andy that there is no think as Iran in reality, just a regime. half the folk are not even Persians, they arab, Kurdish, many peoples. Eradicating the regime? Iran. It will be brilliant. Even if it just means their women are free, that a 50% improvement for the natives at the very least. 

I will answer you're question..................... Honest good people will accept they can't have that thing. bad people, will be planning to go out and steal to get what they are forbidden to have. By going against what they have been told they now must face punishment, maybe with a few slaps initially until they refrain from attempting to get what they think they want. If they get to the point where slapping won't work, then the cane will be needed, told to drop their trowsers, bend over and a good dozen strikes to the rear end. All one can do is keep whipping them until they refrain from their activity, until their bottom is raw and red. In some cases one has to accept that there are people out there who will never 'get it.' They will also give birth to other similar types and the sequence repeats itself over and over and over again. Troublesome people, primitiives.

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[andy06shake]

That's not racist, the jap in WW2 were exceptionally crual. Not the current Japs, they are brilliant. I admire everything about them. Love their cars. Have a Toyota, even built them in the 90's at there factory. Love their engineering. If they'd taken over much of our industry would be still operating, they brilliant. One never threatens a people btw, your right that is genocidal. What one can do is threaten to eliminate Iran. The regime. Please remember andy that there is no think as Iran in reality, just a regime. half the folk are not even Persians, they arab, Kurdish, many peoples. Eradicating the regime? Iran. It will be brilliant. Even if it just means their women are free, that a 50% improvement for the natives at the very least. 

I will answer you're question..................... Honest good people will accept they can't have that thing. bad people, will be planning to go out and steal to get what they are forbidden to have. By going against what they have been told they now must face punishment, maybe with a few slaps initially until they refrain from attempting to get what they think they want. If they get to the point where slapping won't work, then the cane will be needed, told to drop their trowsers, bend over and a good dozen strikes to the rear end. All one can do is keep whipping them until they refrain from their activity, until their bottom is raw and red. In some cases one has to accept that there are people out there who will never 'get it.' They will also give birth to other similar types and the sequence repeats itself over and over and over again. Troublesome people, primitiives

You say "that's not racist" in the first breath, then by your 5th word you're using a slur for Japanese people, Orby.

That kind of contradiction does most of the debunking itself pal...

And when people are told they can't have a thing, they will try to obtain it anyway.

Especially if the motivation is strong...

Forbidden things automatically become more desired.

That's unfortunately just human nature.

[CriticalStinker]

It was displayed to the World from 2021———2023 that “Joe” had a Democrat CONTROLLED House of Representatives and Democrat CONTROLLED Senate.
How come the Presidential Authority Tariffs could NOT be terminated if they’re so detrimental to the Economy and Americans?
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Because those had bipartisan support. They were geared towards China and certain industries. The context of giving executive power to tariff is so we’re nimble for a fluid geopolitical environment… And some would even argue the president needs tools to shape their foreign policy.

The moral of the story is its flexibility and probably an implied level of specific foreign policy goals (China, a certain industry like steel, just examples.

The difference this time is that tariffs were applied to every nation on earth. They were done so with the justification they were all reciprocal. Many Americans to this day think we matched the tariffs other nations applied to us. The reality is that was often not the case. Some of those nations had no tariffs on us, or very limited in scope (just like we have done with steel). But rather it was their VAT which is like sales tax applying to all goods, or limits on imports due to regulation like meat with additives, which we do with regulating vehicle safety and emissions.

Worse is some of the things tariffed are things we can’t produce, or at least to volume. Bananas, coffee, many inputs for our own domestic manufacturing. This is where the argument comes that Americans are being taxed without congressional approval, taxation without representation, ring a bell?

The side effects were seen recently when we even kept our own allies out of the loop before military action, and many didn’t want to help because we have been hostile. Some we told not to help because we already won. This is while we claim the Middle Eastern allies (dictatorships) are some of our best allies deserving of our defense and war machine… Yet they don’t pay into NATO; they’ve received more aid than any other region in history from us, and have never put their soldiers next to ours on a battlefield.

This is why some powers are reserved for a voting body, not one man. Because all men are flawed, so we try and make sure massive policy has to be voted on.

[Orby]

You say "that's not racist" in the first breath, then by your 5th word you're using a slur for Japanese people, Orby.

That kind of contradiction does most of the debunking itself pal...

And when people are told they can't have a thing, they will try to obtain it anyway.

Especially if the motivation is strong...

Forbidden things automatically become more desired.

That's unfortunately just human nature.

A racist word? Never! If a said slit eyed yes. But [J**]? What nonsense. I suggest you start steering clear of the main networks and their brainwashing you into their pc bollox. So going to an event like [Japanese] Fest cuz you got a Japanese motor automicatly makes you the Third Reichs? It's gone too far Andy. PC nonsense gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and onto the topic, well yes the baddies might want to have something yet in many cases you just don't let them. The same genetic blood lines will go on to rob and steal off you generation after generation. You just keep hitting them, starve them of anything else they want by sticking them in prison. If they don't begin to play ball in the long run, it's just amazing how many of those prisoners 'appear' to suicide themselves 

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[andy06shake]

A racist word? Never! If a said slit eyed yes. But Jap? What nonsense. I suggest you start steering clear of the main networks and their brainwashing you into their pc bollox. So going to an event like Jap Fest cuz you got a Japanese motor automicatly makes you the Third Reichs? It's gone too far Andy. PC nonsense gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and onto the topic, well yes the baddies might want to have something yet in many cases you just don't let them. The same genetic blood lines will go on to rob and steal off you generation after generation. You just keep hitting them, starve them of anything else they want by sticking them in prison. If they don't begin to play ball in the long run, it's just amazing how many of those prisoners 'appear' to suicide themselves 

Orby, you're mixing up 3 different things here and treating them like they're 1 coherent argument.

That racial slur isn't just "a word people decided is bad."

It's tied to wartime propaganda and was used to dehumanise Japanese people.

That's why it lands as a slur, not because of "PC rules".
 
Then you jump from crime and prisons straight into "genetic bloodlines" and whole groups repeating behaviour.

That's not how people work.
 
And the rest goes into justifying harm.

Also, the contradiction is still sitting there in plain sight.

You're saying you admire the Japanese, love their engineering, worked with them, then insist a term they largely consider offensive is perfectly fine.

Because you personally don't mean it badly.

That's not how language works.

Words carry history and meaning outside your intent.

Show me one Japanese person who thinks that its ok with such derogatory terminology?

Put it this Orby, would you be so bold as to venture to Japan on holiday.

And start casually calling people that particular racial slur while insisting it's not offensive?

What do you imagine would happen next?

[Orby]

Orby, you're mixing up 3 different things here and treating them like they're 1 coherent argument.

That racial slur isn't just "a word people decided is bad."

It's tied to wartime propaganda and was used to dehumanise Japanese people.

That's why it lands as a slur, not because of "PC rules".
 
Then you jump from crime and prisons straight into "genetic bloodlines" and whole groups repeating behaviour.

That's not how people work.
 
And the rest goes into justifying harm.

Also, the contradiction is still sitting there in plain sight.

You're saying you admire the Japanese, love their engineering, worked with them, then insist a term they largely consider offensive is perfectly fine.

Because you personally don't mean it badly.

That's not how language works.

Words carry history and meaning outside your intent.

Show me one Japanese person who thinks that its ok with such derogatory terminology?

Put it this Orby, would you be so bold as to venture to Japan on holiday.

And start casually calling people that particular racial slur while insisting it's not offensive?

What do you imagine would happen next?

I don't know weather it's the heat in the engineering shop i work in or my brain but I can't follow this, because nothing has been done to wrong the Japanese. If it's offensive sorry it's new to me. If I ever make it to jApan then ill take your advice and not use it. Thabk you. Anything against the Japanese is from 80 years ago. We moved on since then and you know somethink........... I like 'em. That's the modern ones alive today. You know they moddellled themselves on us once upon a time. A small island off the coast of a big continent and wanted an empire just like ours. I like the japanese. Especially their hi-fi stuff and cars, genuine made in Japan of cooarse the better. Those east asians can be a little defnsive and go over the point of boiling over the slighteest of things if they think theres been a titbit of non respect for their culture. Doesn't take much, that's with the Chinese so know where your coming from

[Oldcarpy2]

I don't know weather it's the heat in the engineering shop i work in or my brain but I can't follow this, because nothing has been done to wrong the Japanese. If it's offensive sorry it's new to me. If I ever make it to jApan then ill take your advice and not use it. Thabk you. Anything against the Japanese is from 80 years ago. We moved on since then and you know somethink........... I like 'em. That's the modern ones alive today. You know they moddellled themselves on us once upon a time. A small island off the coast of a big continent and wanted an empire just like ours. I like the japanese. Especially their hi-fi stuff and cars, genuine made in Japan of cooarse the better. Those east asians can be a little defnsive and go over the point of boiling over the slighteest of things if they think theres been a titbit of non respect for their culture. Doesn't take much, that's with the Chinese so know where your coming from

You sure that you're from the UK?

Your English is atrocious.

[Orby]

You sure that you're from the UK?

Your English is atrocious.

Who the heck are you to state that/ the spelling Police UK? At least its real British  here in the middle of our country. Your rudeness is compararable with someone of recent arrival to these shores post arrivals from the continent. Probaly a proud recent arrival from the Anglos or Saxons, maybe normans too if your a southener. Probably not native to theis island pre 2000 years ago? and you have the audacity to question the native tongue. Oh yes.......... It's your migrant tongue, the language of the anglo saxon. Sorry. Ok I'll take punishment, you newbies arrivals don't half get rude at times.

[Oldcarpy2]

Who the heck are you to state that/ the spelling Police UK? At least its real British  here in the middle of our country. Your rudeness is compararable with someone of recent arrival to these shores post arrivals from the continent. Probaly a proud recent arrival from the Anglos or Saxons, maybe normans too if your a southener. Probably not native to theis island pre 2000 years ago? and you have the audacity to question the native tongue. Oh yes.......... It's your migrant tongue, the language of the anglo saxon. Sorry. Ok I'll take punishment, you newbies arrivals don't half get rude at times.

No idea what you are ranting about.