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(04-12-2026, 10:12 AM)Astyanax Wrote: Looks like some people haven't grokked the difference between defeating the military and defeating the state. Still clinging to the old paradigm even after it's been thoroughly, er, exploded.
Anyway.... here's how Trump tries to win friends and influence people:
Two days ago:
Iran allows South Africa, Gabon, Liberia tankers through Strait of Hormuz...
Other countries whose ships have been allowed to transit the Straits include Pakistan, India and China. Oil shipments aboard those vessels were, additionally, bound for several other Asian countries: the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.
Two minutes ago:
Trump Orders Blocking All Ships Trying To Enter Or Leave Strait Of Hormuz
Charming, eh? 'Rogue President Declares Economic War on Entire World.'
Not for the first time either.
I don't understand why the US wants to blockade the Strait?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(04-12-2026, 10:08 AM)Vermilion Wrote: It’s now demolished and entombed under a mountain.
The uranium is still there.
Did you forget the Iranians already trying to excavate it last summer?
I’m sure you’ll agree it’s inherently dangerous for civilian ships to be intermingled with military forces actively clearing the strait of mines and suicidal dingy captains.
Which gets back to my question, what are we still doing there?
We claim to have done all of our military objectives. Last week, Trump threatened to take out all of their energy infrastructure and bridges if they didn't fully reopen the strait. You said they were holding the world hostage with it. Then we went to peace talks and used their demands as a basis for negotiation. Some may call that good faith, I call it odd if we are saying that they're decimated.
The talks faltered, and now we are saying we'll be blockaiding the strait we went to the talks for.
You can laugh at people who see all of this conflict differently than you. You can even hyperbolically assume that they are rooting for Iran, or think that Iran is "winning"... But the fact is, we've been all over the place through out that. I'll even give you maybe Trump is doing the mad man thing on purpose... But I don't see it working.
The regime is still in tact, strait still closed, they still have ballistic missiles.
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(04-12-2026, 10:08 AM)Vermilion Wrote: It’s now demolished and entombed under a mountain.
The uranium is still there.
Did you forget the Iranians already trying to excavate it last summer?
I’m sure you’ll agree it’s inherently dangerous for civilian ships to be intermingled with military forces actively clearing the strait of mines and suicidal dingy captains.
Is it still there?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(04-12-2026, 10:05 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Mm hmm
We meddle
Destabilize an already unstable nation
Extract what we want then leave creating a huge vacuum
And when turmoil sets in, we tell them to clean up their own mess
That's just what the US government does
Its their gig
It ensures you get to keep reaping the benefits of a consumer lifestyle and keep your mouth shut
The Persians have been begging for years for help getting rid of that regime.
Tens of thousands have already been murdered by that regime for it.
They finally got the help they wanted.
It’s on them now.
They are in charge of their future.
The ayatollahs aren’t in charge anymore.
We shall see if they cowboy up.
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(04-12-2026, 10:12 AM)Astyanax Wrote: Looks like some people haven't grokked the difference between defeating the military and defeating the state. Still clinging to the old paradigm even after it's been thoroughly, er, exploded.
Anyway.... here's how Trump tries to win friends and influence people:
Two days ago:
Iran allows South Africa, Gabon, Liberia tankers through Strait of Hormuz...
Other countries whose ships have been allowed to transit the Straits include Pakistan, India and China. Oil shipments aboard those vessels were, additionally, bound for several other Asian countries: the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.
Two minutes ago:
Trump Orders Blocking All Ships Trying To Enter Or Leave Strait Of Hormuz
Charming, eh? 'Rogue President Declares Economic War on Entire World.'
Not for the first time either.
Well. Honestly it’s been working so well for Iran that short of throwing grunts at the shoreline or firebombing Tehran further, Trump thought he’d give it a go.
Diplomacy isn’t the U.S. strong suit after all….
“Peace through Strength” & stuff.
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(04-12-2026, 10:16 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Is it still there?
No evidence has been shown that it is still there, but this type of propaganda serves the US warmongers/greedy elitists and Zionists well to be able to manipulate the now minority of US citizens.
"The only journey is the one within."
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(04-12-2026, 10:15 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Which gets back to my question, what are we still doing there?
We claim to have done all of our military objectives. Last week, Trump threatened to take out all of their energy infrastructure and bridges if they didn't fully reopen the strait. You said they were holding the world hostage with it. Then we went to peace talks and used their demands as a basis for negotiation. Some may call that good faith, I call it odd if we are saying that they're decimated.
The talks faltered, and now we are saying we'll be blockaiding the strait we went to the talks for.
You can laugh at people who see all of this conflict differently than you. You can even hyperbolically assume that they are rooting for Iran, or think that Iran is "winning"... But the fact is, we've been all over the place through out that. I'll even give you maybe Trump is doing the mad man thing on purpose... But I don't see it working.
The regime is still in tact, strait still closed, they still have ballistic missiles.
The US is clearing the strait.
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(04-12-2026, 10:17 AM)Vermilion Wrote: The Persians have been begging for years for help getting rid of that regime.
Tens of thousands have already been murdered by that regime for it.
They finally got the help they wanted.
It’s on them now.
They are in charge of their future.
The ayatollahs aren’t in charge anymore.
We shall see if they cowboy up.
Sadly the IRGC is apparently still in charge, and armed, but the protesters are not armed.
What can they do?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(04-12-2026, 10:16 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Is it still there?
The Iranians think so.
They were trying to excavate it.
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(04-12-2026, 10:21 AM)Vermilion Wrote: The US is clearing the strait.
Trump said we’re enacting a block aid. Which is it?
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