Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

"It's not over until the fat lady sings"....... comes to mind.
i'm not holding my breath!
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I think they have reparations in mind somewhere in that 10-point peace plan.

I really don't see America being up for that.

Paying reparations to Iran would be political suicide.

And do little but weaken their negotiating position.

[FlyersFan]

I think they have reparations in mind somewhere in that 10-point peace plan.

I really don't see America being up for that.

America is letting the $1,000,000 tax on every boat through the Strait stand.
That's indirect reparations.   Trump folded.

[FlyersFan]

I get people are mad that NATO didn’t step in, but they’re a defensive treaty. 

This was defensive.   The whole point was that Iran is working on  nuclear weapons and has promised to use them against everyone in their mad religious quest of world dominance.    And They have been attacking via proxy for 47 years.    You may have a different idea of 'defense' than I do.   But getting the nuclear program stopped BEFORE the nukes are on the launch pad is defensive as far as I'm concerned.   You probably disagree.

I saw a lot of criticism for the European nations but I rarely saw any criticism for the Gulf states for doing absolutely nothing ...

Complicated.    Muslim nations usually stick together no matter what.   But in this case the Muslim Gulf states verbally came down against Iran, which is progress.   But you are right, they should have gotten off their backends and engaged Iran.   They all hate Iran but did nothing when the opportunity came for them to defang the monster.

[FlyersFan]

Dow futures up 1200 points this morning.
Not surprised.
Actually, I expected it a bit higher than that.

[andy06shake]

America is letting the $1,000,000 tax on every boat through the Strait stand.
That's indirect reparations.   Trump folded.

Have to say, Flyers, it's preferable to him killing a whole civilisation.

I don't disagree, Trump does appear to have somewhat folded.

But unless he finds something else to pivot to.
 
We might just be back to square one a fortnight down the line.

I certainly hope that's not the case.
 
And some form of tangible workable peace plan materialises within two weeks.
 
But I'm not holding my breath...

[CriticalStinker]

This was defensive.   The whole point was that Iran is working on  nuclear weapons and has promised to use them against everyone in their mad religious quest of world dominance.    And They have been attacking via proxy for 47 years.    You may have a different idea of 'defense' than I do.   But getting the nuclear program stopped BEFORE the nukes are on the launch pad is defensive as far as I'm concerned.   You probably disagree.

Complicated.    Muslim nations usually stick together no matter what.   But in this case the Muslim Gulf states verbally came down against Iran, which is progress.   But you are right, they should have gotten off their backends and engaged Iran.   They all hate Iran but did nothing when the opportunity came for them to defang the monster.

No one wants Iran to have nukes. We all just disagree in what path would be the most effective at preventing it.

After Afghanistan and Iraq, I think a lot of people saw kinetic action against Iran as more risky than a deal where we could have inspectors there. I’m sure Obamas deal had its faults, especially that it wasn’t permanent, but I think that deal and renegotiation on a new one would have put us in a better position than we are now. 

I doubt there will be any inspections now. Their sanctions will likely be lifted, and they have a new revenue stream. They will make more now than they did under that deal.

I think most Americans felt going into Iran was a mistake because of past lessons, so Europe feeling similar isn’t some kind of grand betrayal when our own country didn’t have consensus.

I also disagree with the absolute conviction Iran would use them the second they had them. They could have used dirty bombs, they could have closed the Red Sea too and blown up more oil production and sent the world into a depression. They seemed to have acted with self preservation in mind. The whole argument they would use nukes would mean they have no self preservation. I think it was a premise sold to us by external entities for 30 years and we didn’t get goaded in for good reason for most of that time, and now the premise is shown as flimsy.

I think it had more to do with someone not wanting a near peer power close by… just like they were saying Turkey is next before this war.

[Roma]

Have to say, Flyers, it's preferable to him killing a whole civilisation.

I don't disagree, Trump does appear to have somewhat folded.

Did you REALLY think he would destroy a whole civilization?
 

But unless he finds something else to pivot to.
 

He will pivot to the mid-terms.

 
We might just be back to square one a fortnight down the line.

Might be?  I think it's a question of when not if.

[FlyersFan]

Have to say, Flyers, it's preferable to him killing a whole civilisation.

That was bloviating.   
Bombing power plants wouldn't have 'killed a whole civilization'.
Clinton did it in Kosovo.   Johnson did it in Vietnam.
No one said it was a war crime and no one said it 'killed the whole civilization'.
Trump saying 'kill a whole civilization' .... That's Trump just bullshitting.   
The only way to do that would be to  nuke the place and they said they weren't doing that.

Trump is unhinged.   
He gets people spun up and nervous as hell with his tantrums.
And then everything always calms down afterwards to half power.
It's EXHAUSTING to keep up with.
That's why most people eventually stop listening to him.
Things never turn out the way he says.

[FlyersFan]

We might just be back to square one a fortnight down the line.

We already are.   Nothing has changed except Iran has no Navy or Airforce, but has a new income stream from control over the Strait (which is supposed to be international waters) so they'll rebuild in no time.

[FlyersFan]

Trump does appear to have somewhat folded.

Trump folded.   Iran won.

Iran held the Strait hostage, and Trump held back and Europe/Gulf States didn't engage.

Iran won.