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(04-07-2026, 11:36 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: No it's a fact you wish to turn into myth. The bombs ended the war.
I agree. Invading Japan would have been a bloody nightmare.
But nuking Iran, no.
The White House has just ruled that out.
But, Israel?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(04-07-2026, 11:36 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: No it's a fact you wish to turn into myth. The bombs ended the war.
Then present the facts and evidence to support your claim that nukes ended WW2?
Again, the war was won, nukes simply expedited Japan's capitulation and stopped the allies from having to invade.
And if you open any history text, it will clearly tell you so...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(04-07-2026, 11:39 AM)andy06shake Wrote: That's not basic economics.
It's wishful thinking.
Supply doesn't magically fix pricing without competition, regulation, or demand changes.
As to this being better off in the long run, rich people may be.
But what about everyone else?
Supply and demand is basic economics, competition helps keep the price lower for longer and regulations usually add more red tape that increase prices however there are some regulations like those on monopolies that do have benefits, we have all of this in our oil supply you may not of heard but standard oil was broken up about a century or more in our past.
Everyone else should worry about themselves, it's not someone else job to wipe their asses for them.
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(04-06-2026, 07:43 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/204129...23028?s=20
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This is Iran's way of preemptively telling Trump what they can do if he carries through on his threat to attack civilian infrastructure in Iran. These attacks were done with a small number of drones and short range ballistic missiles. Iran is now capable of hitting Jubail, Ras Tanurah, Buqayq, and Hofuf in Saudi Arabia. If they took out those Saudi facilities, that would remove another 8 to 10 million barrels of oil per day from the international market. If Iran goes down, they are going to take as much of the West as they can with them.
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04-07-2026, 11:48 AM
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(04-07-2026, 11:35 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: Maybe you can, I don't care. I'm not suffering from it.
Of course you're not suffering from it
Your partisan loyality will never allow you to admit suffering from anything as long as your team is the current administration
You've already said you don't mind the shit sandwiches they serve you
As long as it comes with a scoop of Great Value ice cream after you've cleaned your plate
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(04-07-2026, 11:41 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: I agree. Invading Japan would have been a bloody nightmare.
But nuking Iran, no.
The White House has just ruled that out.
But, Israel?
Well it's not in my wheel house, I don't have access to that button so everyone can relax.
We should have made that agreement with them on those strikes a few months ago.
If Israel wanted to strike we should have told them we got your back but only if you nuke them. It might have stopped them in their tracks.
“The American press is a shame and a reproach to a civilized people. When a man is too lazy to work and too cowardly to steal, he becomes an editor and manufactures public opinion.”
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(04-07-2026, 11:24 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: We only get 7% of our oil through there, it can stay closed forever it's not the reason gas in America is expensive they just saw an opportunity to rise the price and took it.
We are also the largest producer of helium so no need to argue about that either.
I think your understanding of capitalism and how market prices including oil are figured out needs a little help...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/202...s-surging/
Quote:America Produces the Most Oil—But Doesn’t Set the PriceThe U.S. leads the world in oil production, but oil isn’t priced locally, nor are prices set by oil companies. Because the U.S. exports oil to the global markets, it’s priced globally by traders bidding for oil. That is a distinction many people do not realize.
Think of the oil market as a single, interconnected system. When supply is threatened anywhere, prices respond everywhere. And few places matter more than the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow passage through which ~20% of the world’s oil flows. When that chokepoint is at risk, traders price in the risk immediately.
https://time.com/article/2026/03/31/gas-...-iran-war/
Quote:Donald Trump’s war with Iran has dealt a high cost to American wallets.
The national average for gasoline has risen to $4.11 per gallon, up 38 percent since the conflict began, according to the American Automobile Association. Diesel prices have climbed even faster, reaching $5.62 per gallon on Monday—a 49 percent increase.
Those increases come as global oil prices surge. On April 6, the U.S. benchmark West Texas Intermediate climbed to $115.48 per barrel, up 3.5 percent, while Brent crude rose to nearly $112 per barrel.
Just a week earlier, the national average retail price of gasoline crossed $4 per gallon for the first time since 2022, following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. This marks an increase of more than $1 from last month’s prices before the war began on Feb. 28.
As oil prices rise, and a global fuel shortage threatens dozens of nations, President Trump has threatened to destroy all of Iran’s power plants if the nation’s leaders don’t agree to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
Why gas prices have crossed $4 per gallonThe surge is being driven by rising global oil prices tied to the conflict, which has threatened supply and raised fears of disruption along key transit routes, including the Strait of Hormuz.
Patrick De Haan, GasBuddy’s head of petroleum analysis, warned that a $4 per gallon national average breaches a “psychological wall.”
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(04-07-2026, 11:48 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Of course you're not suffering from it
Your partisan loyality will never allow you to admit suffering from anything as long as your team is the current administration
You've already said you don't mind the shit sandwiches they serve you
As long as it comes with a scoop of Good Value ice cream after you've cleaned your plate
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04-07-2026, 11:55 AM
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(04-07-2026, 11:53 AM)Kurokage Wrote: I think your understanding of capitalism and how market prices including oil are figured out needs a little help...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/202...s-surging/
https://time.com/article/2026/03/31/gas-...-iran-war/
No thanks, I got this. We can create our own markets if we choose.
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(04-07-2026, 11:48 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: Supply and demand is basic economics, competition helps keep the price lower for longer and regulations usually add more red tape that increase prices however there are some regulations like those on monopolies that do have benefits, we have all of this in our oil supply you may not of heard but standard oil was broken up about a century or more in our past.
Everyone else should worry about themselves, it's not someone else job to wipe their asses for them.
That's a shallow read of both economics and geopolitics.
"Basic supply and demand" ignores how wars disrupt supply chains.
And how they create uncertainty, never mind invite speculation.
All of which raises prices regardless of competition.
And the Oil markets aren't a free playground.
Cartels like OPEC actively manage the supply.
Modern markets are globally interconnected, it's not like 1900s America ffs.
As for "everyone for themselves," that's not realism, it's ignorance in the real world....
Global stability and cooperation exist precisely because isolation makes crises worse, not better.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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