Trump says he bombed Iran

[cherokeetroy]

"Qatari Hamad bin Jassim: "America will withdraw from the battle as soon as we declare war on Iran, turning into an arms dealer selling to both sides. It will deplete our resources to bring down both sides; once both sides fall, it will be easy to achieve the 'Greater Israel' project. Our interest requires non-participation and letting them fight among themselves."

https://x.com/hureyaksa/status/2030946948711399594?s=20

[FlyersFan]

There are no treaties between the US and Israel. There is also no formal alliance.

You are correct.   I miss spoke.   The alliance is mostly informal.   They are the only true Democracy in the Middle East and an ally.   So when they go to war, we end up going as well.   Technically we don't have to.   But to keep a foothold in the Middle East, we do.

From Google AI Assist - The United States and Israel do not have a formal mutual defense treaty but maintain a "strategic partnership" based on a 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) (2019–2028).

[FlyersFan]

"Qatari Hamad bin Jassim: "America will withdraw from the battle as soon as we declare war on Iran, turning into an arms dealer selling to both sides. It will deplete our resources to bring down both sides; once both sides fall, it will be easy to achieve the 'Greater Israel' project. Our interest requires non-participation and letting them fight among themselves."

https://x.com/hureyaksa/status/2030946948711399594?s=20

I disagree that America would withdraw.   
I disagree that America would sell to 'both sides' (that means Iran).
I disagree that there is a 'greater Israel' project taking over the Middle East.
That's typical Muslim paranoia about Jews and blaming them for all their
problems.  There are only 7 million Jews in Israel.  Not enough to populate
and hold land outside of Israel.

[FlyersFan]

Trump says that decision to end war will be a mutual one 
with him and Netanyahu.   A joint decision.  

HERE

[CriticalStinker]

You are correct.   I miss spoke.   The alliance is mostly informal.   They are the only true Democracy in the Middle East and an ally.   So when they go to war, we end up going as well.   Technically we don't have to.   But to keep a foothold in the Middle East, we do.

From Google AI Assist - The United States and Israel do not have a formal mutual defense treaty but maintain a "strategic partnership" based on a 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) (2019–2028).

I don’t think them being the only democracy is enough to justify it though. We’re allied with many of the non democratic nations too, and help prop those governments up. 

The American foreign policy doesn’t really care about democracy as much as it cares about countries acting in our interest. You can be a king dictator, and if you play nice we’ll keep you in power.

Most Americans ethnically see their roots in Europe, yet we’re actively distancing ourself from that region. If we’re willing to separate from the continent we come from, who is almost all democratic… I don’t see what keeps us in the Middle East, a region a vast majority of Americans have no ties to, not even a strong trade tie now.

The uncomfortable truth, one I know you have argued against given the context, is that this is more based around religion. This is even arguable in official US policy under a thin veil. “Israel has a right to exist”. It’s an odd statement, one would think everyone has a right to exist, but history says otherwise. It makes you think if people are saying they have more of a right to exist, a divine one… Something Huckabee isn’t to shy to say outright. He’s not alone, just more outspoken.

I don’t hate Israel, and I wish them the best. Between you and I, our relationship is far more of a threat to their existence than if we forced them to conduct themselves more organically. They have the world’s largest military at their disposal and know that. Their policy is made with that assumption. There will come a day where they’ve pissed too many people off in the world, and America has no more appetite to keep the arrangement. That will be more dangerous for them than anything else.

[Kurokage]

You are correct.   I miss spoke.   The alliance is mostly informal.   They are the only true Democracy in the Middle East and an ally.   So when they go to war, we end up going as well.   Technically we don't have to.   But to keep a foothold in the Middle East, we do.

From Google AI Assist - The United States and Israel do not have a formal mutual defense treaty but maintain a "strategic partnership" based on a 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) (2019–2028).

I didn't vote for Starmer, but after Trump shit all over the Soldiers lives lost in helping America fight in both Afghanistan and Iraq, I actually applauded him for not just blindly following Trump into a war (which is against his campaign promises) with no obvious goals or plans other than what Israel needed. Britain have stood shoulder to shoulder with America when they were called upon.

Trump can make outlandish claims about America alone winning WW2 and the wars in the middle east and not think about consequences, yet the draft dodger moans and complains when people say no to him after his berates them.
I think whilst Trump remains in office any country that thinks it has a special relationship with America are either very naïve or stupid.

[CriticalStinker]

Trump says that decision to end war will be a mutual one 
with him and Netanyahu.   A joint decision.  

HERE

Just to expand on my point above, what other nation does Trump see as a true partner or equal? 

His policy with other nations has largely been transactional, and one of the cornerstones of his tariff policy is unfair trade, whether it be because of tariffs they have on US goods, barriers to entry, or because there is a trade imbalance.

Canada for instance was the number one importer of US goods, but they weren’t getting enough, even though they only have around a tenth of the population. Culturally, they’re more similar to the US than most nations on earth, still a target though.

Israel on the other hand has less than a tenth of imports from the US as Canada. You could argue we subsidize some of Canadas defense, but to my knowledge we’ve never had to fight a war for them, and they have sent their troops with ours.

[FlyersFan]

The uncomfortable truth, one I know you have argued against given the context, is that this is more based around religion. 

Sorry, I"m just not seeing it.

Trump was raised presbyterian but switched to non-denominational Christian.
In practice I don't think he's any form of Christian.  He himself has said many
times that he doesn't think he's getting into heaven.   He just does the optics
of Christianity to get votes/keep high polls with a certain segment of the 
population.   And anyone around him who is what I'd call extreme ... like 
Mike Huckabee .. only has just so much influence since Trump doesn't let anyone
tell him what to do.

[FlyersFan]

Just to expand on my point above, what other nation does Trump see as a true partner or equal? 

My long distance psycho-analysis .... 

True partner - none.
Equal - Putin/Russia

That would be my guess.   
I think he's all 'godfather' ... 
work with everyone, but trust and count on no one.
(which, honestly, may be smart)

[Kurokage]

Sorry, I"m just not seeing it.

Trump was raised presbyterian but switched to non-denominational Christian.
In practice I don't think he's any form of Christian.  He himself has said many
times that he doesn't think he's getting into heaven.   He just does the optics
of Christianity to get votes/keep high polls with a certain segment of the 
population.   And anyone around him who is what I'd call extreme ... like 
Mike Huckabee .. only has just so much influence since Trump doesn't let anyone
tell him what to do.

The thing is, Trump is a professional grifter, and will do and say anything to rile up his support and get them on side and damned to any following fallout.

Trump using the evangelicals as his 'crusaders' will help fire up a certain demographic and get behind his Holy war if he feels that will help his cause. Trump only cares about himself and using any narrative to further his goals and agenda.