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(03-09-2026, 08:20 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: We do not deny the Iranian threat to the region, ....
We want peace and stability.
https://x.com/KhalafAlHabtoor/status/203...29555?s=20
This is odd. He admits Iran is a threat to the region ... and he claims to want peace and stability ... but he doesn't want to do anything to achieve that. In order to have peace and stability, you have to get rid of the threat. It's messy. But it has to be done. Otherwise it's a false 'peace and stability'.
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(03-09-2026, 08:22 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: People look back and think COVID was an instant crash, but it took a few weeks… People were debating on if it would be that bad.
imo, this will be worse than Covid
I've speculated they need a Black Swan to kill fiat
We'll see how it goes
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(03-09-2026, 08:26 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I think there is a case to be made Israel and Iran were inevitably going to get into a war. Even Marco Rubio said part of our timing was to preempt a retaliatory strike from Iran since we had intel Israel was going to strike.
I don’t think there’s a strong argument though that the US and Iran were on an unavoidable path towards war though.
Agreed the war between Israel and Iran was inevitable.
In fact, it was already going on via Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis.
The US and Iran were on an unavoidable path because of the relationship between Israel and USA.
If Israel goes to war, so does America. It's tied together via treaties.
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03-09-2026, 08:32 AM
This post was last modified: 03-09-2026, 08:33 AM by cherokeetroy. 
(03-09-2026, 08:26 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: This is odd. He admits Iran is a threat to the region ... and he claims to want peace and stability ... but he doesn't want to do anything to achieve that. In order to have peace and stability, you have to get rid of the threat. It's messy. But it has to be done. Otherwise it's a false 'peace and stability'.
Lindsay Graham is a money grubbing, war hawking, corrupt POS
He should be facing tribunals
Not golfing with Trump
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(03-09-2026, 08:04 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: This one's a Black Swan
Can you expand on that?
What are you thinking?
I know what a Black Swan is in finance.
But not sure how you are using it here.
Black Swan Event Finance
Quote:
- An event that is unpredictable.
- A black swan event results in severe and widespread consequences.
- After the occurrence of a black swan event, people will rationalize the event as having been predictable (known as hindsight bias), due only to the fact that they are now aware of what the outcomes from the said event are.
In finance, a Black Swan event isn't necessarily bad.
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(03-09-2026, 08:28 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: imo, this will be worse than Covid
I've speculated they need a Black Swan to kill fiat
We'll see how it goes
While I love the concept of killing fiat, I think the world is too committed on it.
It’s simply unsustainable with a western world with a declining population rate, especially with their unwillingness to address it. Younger generations are seen as a strain rather than an investment. Their cries for affordable housing is met with laughter. Why the fuck would they have kids?
But leaving fiat would mean all the institutions lose the most. All the debt, derivatives, and mechanisms of modern finance would hurt them the most… whereas keeping it going hurts people who don’t have assets the most (inflation).
History shows us who wins that battle almost every time.
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03-09-2026, 08:37 AM
This post was last modified: 03-09-2026, 09:56 AM by Kurokage. 
I think a big part of the problem was the fact that both America and Israel thought if they took out the Ayatollah, the government would collapse and the people would be partying in the streets.
That sadly never happened and Iran is now trying to carry on regardless by 'electing' a leader.
Israel and America have now had to up their attacks, and Israel having had the threat of attack from Iran for so many years, see's this as a chance to finally cripple Iran and are far less worried about collateral damage.
Which will only encourage the Iranian people to fall back in line behind their Muslim leaders.
And we'll all suffer the severe financial consequences if this war goes on for more than a month or two.
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning."
Charles Tremper
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03-09-2026, 08:40 AM
This post was last modified: 03-09-2026, 08:45 AM by CriticalStinker. 
(03-09-2026, 08:28 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Agreed the war between Israel and Iran was inevitable.
In fact, it was already going on via Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis.
The US and Iran were on an unavoidable path because of the relationship between Israel and USA.
If Israel goes to war, so does America. It's tied together via treaties.
There are no treaties between the US and Israel. There is also no formal alliance.
It began as a foreign policy posture for us to have some control in the Middle East, back when we needed the region. We’ve spent decades to ensure we have energy independence from the region, and now we do.
Today, the alliance to Israel is purely political. Parties on both sides have strong ties to Israel centered lobbying groups and campaign funding.
We’ve seen a political environment where every long term ally on earth is seen as expendable, and all ties are reopened to negotiation. Many of those allies we’re actively trying to distance from have fought side by side with our soldiers in most wars.
In that context, we can’t say there is no choice of agency on our part whether we stand by Israel no matter what.
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(03-09-2026, 08:37 AM)Kurokage Wrote: I think a big part of the problem was the fact that both America and Israel thought if they took out the Ayatollah, the government would collapse and the people would be partying in the streets. Yep. Miscalculation.
Half the country hates the clerics and the heavy duty Muslim garbage.
But the other half are totally brainwashed and on board with it.
And they slaughter the half that wants progressive change.
So those folks wanting progressive change stay home and hide.
Can't say that I blame 'em.
But like they say ... freedom isn't free.
Anyways ... total miscalculation on the part of Washington as to the response
they'd get on the ground in Tehran.
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(03-09-2026, 08:34 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: While I love the concept of killing fiat, I think the world is too committed on it.
It’s simply unsustainable with a western world with a declining population rate, especially with their unwillingness to address it. Younger generations are seen as a strain rather than an investment. Their cries for affordable housing is met with laughter. Why the fuck would they have kids?
But leaving fiat would mean all the institutions lose the most. All the debt, derivatives, and mechanisms of modern finance would hurt them the most… whereas keeping it going hurts people who don’t have assets the most (inflation).
History shows us who wins that battle almost every time.
The world may be addicted to cash but AI can't function on it
It requires digital
They can't advance technologically on the old, outdated system
Crypto and fiat rails may run simultaneously side by side for a while until the transition is complete
But at some point, they will stop printing fiat
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