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(06-26-2025, 08:55 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Because they only need the conclusion.
They don't need to know how that conclusion was reached.
Congress can't be trusted with the classified information.
Have you taken a good look at them lately?
Both the Republicans and Democrats ... complete idiots.
There are many who would go running to the press with the classified information.
That's not what Johnson seems to think. For some reason, he feels Congress has an oversight roll.
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“Our intelligence community and its oversight must maintain the highest levels of trust. The House Intel Committee will play a pivotal role in this work in the new Congress, and Rick Crawford will provide principled leadership as its chairman. He has earned the respect of his colleagues through his years of faithful service on the committee and his steady approach to the challenges facing our country.
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(06-26-2025, 09:11 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Trump is quoting intel from his four sources,
Yes, he's quoting intel from American, Israeli, Iranian and UN intel sources.
So it's not him making it up. Glad you finally admit it.
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(06-26-2025, 08:59 AM)quintessentone Wrote: He and the rest of us are clear, we need independent evidence, got any? You still haven't given the name of an actual independent source you trust as accurate. Do you not actually know and independent source you trust? It's okay to not have all the answers you only need to say it.
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(06-26-2025, 09:15 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The preliminary classified assessment document stated it was 'low confidence' in what it was reporting. It was an assessment for additional strikes on the battlefield. It was not a full assessment for damage. This is basic military procedure. The additional strikes assessment on battlefields are always 'low confidence' and are subject to intelligence gathered 48-72 hours later, not just the first 12 hours.
Did you not watch the briefing today? It was all explained.
America, Israel, Iran and UN all agree ... severely damaged to destroyed.
Yeah, that's handy, Trump with a Sharpie again?
I did watch and did not see any sort of unequivocal evidence that suggested total obliteration so...................
Low confidence as to Trump or his minions actually telling the truth, you mean. LoL
Time will tell, and the truth will out.
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06-26-2025, 09:22 AM
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(06-26-2025, 09:09 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Iran ALWAYS has been trying to get nuclear weapons from those and other places. They are a terrorist regime. It's what they do. These strikes changed none of that.
It's not exactly easy...to transfer a warhead. Tired of pretending it would happen easily
Quote:Why It’s Unlikely- International Consequences: Supplying nuclear warheads to Iran would violate international agreements like the NPT and trigger severe sanctions, diplomatic isolation, or even military retaliation from the U.S. and its allies, including Israel.
- Strategic Risks: Russia and China, while opposed to U.S. policies, benefit from a stable Middle East and have no clear incentive to provoke a nuclear-armed Iran, which could destabilize the region further. Both nations are more likely to offer diplomatic or economic support rather than military assistance.
- Practical Challenges: Transferring nuclear warheads or technology is a complex operation that would likely be detected by global intelligence networks, leading to preemptive action.
Conclusion
The international community, including Russia and China, has a vested interest in preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Despite provocative statements from figures like Medvedev, the combination of geopolitical constraints, treaty obligations, and the lack of credible evidence makes it highly unlikely that any country would help Iran fast-track a nuclear warhead.
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(06-26-2025, 09:20 AM)andy06shake Wrote: I did watch and did not see any sort of unequivocal evidence that suggested total obliteration so...................
American intelligence isn't going to put their classified material up for everyone to see.
None of us would know what we were looking at anyways.
We'd need experts to interpret it.
Its up to you if you want to believe American, Israeli, Iranian and UN intelligence information or not.
All four agree ... badly damaged to destroyed.
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(06-26-2025, 09:20 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Low confidence as to Trump or his minions actually telling the truth, you mean. LoL
If it were just Trump up there bloviating as usual, then yeah I would question it a lot.
But all four intels are confirming ... America, Israel, Iran and United Nations.
So I think it's highly probable that their agreed assessment of 'badly damaged to destroyed' is true.
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(06-26-2025, 09:12 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I think the best outcome here is this turns into a non problem, and we let it get memory holed. The alternative is the embers of conflict start to flame up more, which I think most don’t have the appetite for.
It’s possible we’re taking the off ramp, and just like Iran did their symbolic strike that got intercepted in Qatar, we’re saying mission accomplished on our strike. (Obvious difference is there’s no question our strike hit, and did damage).
This isn’t new for us, hell, we had to justify the start of tariffs by associating the fentanyl crisis with Canada. ATS at the time would have had us believe Canada was a bigger threat to the US than China for Fentanyl at that time.
Politicians are still going to politic. I think people take them at their word too often, and fail to realize that they’re at least embellishing the truth for their agenda. Then, when something new and more interesting pops up, we act like the previous thing never happened.
That's what I find fascinating and revolting and also exhausting about most people's mindsets in this day and age. This thread is a case in point; people tend to politicise everything.
Just review the data and state your opinion.
Stop defending XYZ 'side' or politician, it's not necessary, wastes your energy, and they dont give AF about you.
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(06-26-2025, 09:13 AM)quintessentone Wrote: See what I mean? Conflicting truths and propaganda from all sides.
Any comment about the shoddy treatment women get in Iran considering that you are a card carrying Ayatollah supporter?
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(06-26-2025, 09:22 AM)putnam6 Wrote: It's not exactly easy...to transfer a warhead. Tired of pretending it would happen easily
Plus, there is a detonation signature also.
Meaning every nuclear explosion leaves unique characteristics that can help experts trace the origin of the weapon.
Any other nuclear-armed nation silly enough to supply Iran with a working nuclear warhead would most likely be caught red-handed, so to speak, if they were ever silly enough to use the thing.
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