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(03-24-2026, 06:37 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Pretty much what some said about Ukraine...
[Video: https://youtube.com/FrJpm1o7hMA?si=LD-h1dMoEal_cv1s]
Not to get all esoteric, but if humanity is going to ascend to its next level of enlightenment, the West has major adjustments, but the Middle East has a ways to go; some have been westernized but not all
if we believe in the human rights angle, that is
Israel is terraforming Lebanon into a friendly neighbor, adios Iran and Hezbollah [Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...2b3c9d.jpg]
[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...b52409.jpg]
I don’t think you can force people to enlightenment. It’s an opinionated topic.
Obviously I’m biased, and much prefer western culture with the freedoms it has to offer. But when you’re raised with different beliefs and ideas, it takes generations to change that, not force.
When you apply force, it vindicates some of those teachings, “the west is imperialistic and the devil”. I imagine most Iranians didn’t believe that because it was from a different time, before them. But whose narrative wins out when you’re under attack? Your governments propaganda or the invading forces?
Even if we had a government our people hated, and China started bombing us, we would unify.
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03-24-2026, 09:28 AM
This post was last modified: 03-24-2026, 10:08 AM by CriticalStinker. 
(03-24-2026, 06:38 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Please cite how the below is wrong. Where you still didn’t address why the Strait of Hormuz is such a choke point for the world’s economy. Why the west has put up with Iran’s crap. And what do you think was going to happen if Iran got nuclear weapons.
[Image: https://i.imgur.com/XqYMR4V.jpeg]
It’s a problem that wasn’t one a month ago.
How many countries in history just take an attack on the chin?
Im not saying that justifies Iran, or even that I’m sympathetic… What I’m saying is this shouldn’t be a surprise.
We project our interests through sanctions and blockades at time. I don’t think the two are comparable, but I think it illustrates a point that any nation will leverage whatever tools they have to counter opponents. Obviously we’re a super power, we don’t have to do it in such crude ways.
But I do think it’s important we note that we play dirty at times through proxy and coup. It was a major campaign point for the Trump admin, no regime change wars, because of how messy it gets. That resonated with people, and on ATS I remember no new wars was a very popular subject.
As for the nuke part, they’ve been weeks/months away for thirty years. Bibi said that to Congress every couple of years. I felt no more threatened by Iranian nuclear power a month ago than ten years ago.
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(03-24-2026, 09:21 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: There are 3,200 ships carrying 20,000 mariners TRAPPED in Strait of Hormuz who have RUN OUT of water and food and who have been REFUSED access to restock.
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2036414...69218?s=20
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It appears Iran has created a narrow route closer to their shore to allow allied ships to pass although it's a very slow process because of ensuring only allied ships pay and pass.
Interesting article:
https://www.npr.org/2026/03/23/nx-s1-575...re-stalled
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Even though nations are trying to help the mariners and move the ships, the situation still remains dire.
" International Maritime Organization (IMO): The IMO has condemned attacks on commercial vessels and is working to establish a safe maritime corridor to allow ships and crews to evacuate the region. This initiative, backed by the World Shipping Council and the International Transport Workers’ Federation (ITF), aims to restore safe navigation and facilitate crew changes and repatriation"
"The only journey is the one within."
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(03-24-2026, 09:07 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Regions outside Tehran will mostly fall, and then Tehran will simmer till it boils over in August or September
https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/2036439985105051648?s=20
Interesting if true. Hopefully a legitimate Persian movement and not ISIS trying to get revenge/fill the power vacuum when regime falls.
I'm confused how 'Hunting Dog' could be spreading videos rapidly when AFAIK internet in Iran has been shut off since the start of the mass protests/ war (and heavilly restricted before) - seems like the content isn't aimed solely at international audience, not domestic, if true which would defeat most reasons to film the content and overthrow the regime.
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03-24-2026, 09:43 AM
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(03-24-2026, 08:49 AM)Kwaka Wrote: With your narrow view of what god is about, good luck with that. Again you post gibberish that makes no sense.
Someone said that Iran isn't our part of the world so isn't our problem.
My response is that, if that's the case, then the same could be said of the Ukraine.
That's got nothing to do with God or religious beliefs.
I'm pointing out that if that attitude can be used for Iran, then the same should apply to Ukraine.
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(03-24-2026, 09:07 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Regions outside Tehran will mostly fall, and then Tehran will simmer till it boils over in August or September
https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/2036439985105051648?s=20
That looks like Special Forces are on the ground piciking off IRGC as they go along
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Running in tangem with Operation Epic Fury is Operation Total Extermination in Latin America
https://theintercept.com/2026/03/23/trum...mbia-cuba/
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(03-24-2026, 10:21 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Running in tangem with Operation Epic Fury is Operation Total Extermination in Latin America
https://theintercept.com/2026/03/23/trum...mbia-cuba/
[Image: https://i.imgur.com/pWE2ojQ.jpeg] No more foreign interventions then?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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The Treasury just declared the U.S. insolvent. The media missed it
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(03-24-2026, 09:23 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I don’t think you can force people to enlightenment. It’s an opinionated topic.
Obviously I’m biased, and much prefer western culture with the freedoms it has to offer. But when you’re raised with different beliefs and ideas, it takes generations to change that, not force.
When you apply force, it vindicates some of those teachings, “the west is imperialistic and the devil”. I imagine most Iranians didn’t believe that because it was from a different time, before them. But whose narrative wins out when you’re under attack? Your governments propaganda or the invading forces?
Even if we had a government our people hated, and China started bombing us, we would unify.
Didnt say it was instantaneous CS...
But look how far the Middle East has come in 60 years.
Since the thread is all over the fucking place, allow me to retort
Many believe, and it has some merit, that the impetus for 10/7 was because of the potential for Saudi Arabia and Israel to begin normalized relations.
When Sadat tried that, he ended up dead in an ambush in front of the Egyptian military.
Sadat was a great man, obviously well ahead of his time, don't you think?
This will cover overpopulation, the battle for resources, and each country's trajectory.
This isn't Age of Empires, where everybody gets equal resources.
The world doesn't have to assimilate totally, but we damn well had better learn to cooperate for the common good occasionally.
Uncle Sammy doesn't want to own the Iranian Quick Trip, but he damn sure wants the valued customer discount.
Conversely, the IIRG would absolutely take over the US today if it could.
If they did, would the world's trajectory be higher or lower?
Hell, CS, the more I read your posts, the more I see the reasons why Uncle Sam had to do this.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart
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